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To: wintertime
Where are the studies that **prove** government schools teach anything? Honestly, this is a serious question.

Sir, I realize it is a serious question, and I also realize that the burden of proof is on you, since you made the claim that Home schooling is better, and tried to use shoddy documentation to prove it. The ball is in your court I am just asking questions, that you seem unable to answer.

As for homeschooling studies, then we should ask government teachers or college level professors of education. It is **THEIR** profession.

Sir this makes as much sense as asking a home schooling group to study home schoolers.

Why not ask an independent group such as "The Heritage foundation."

Also I don't think that research is the profession of educators, I believe their profession is education.

The profession of researchers is research, while some may work at or for universities their main work is research.

If you are a teacher, there should be **dozens** of studies at** your** finger tips.

Sir I spent well over 20 years in the military after/ while earning my engineering degree through ROTC. While in the military I was responsible for training young men and women and over seeing training exercises.

Where are they?

That is the question that you need to answer sir.

195 posted on 08/11/2012 10:20:40 AM PDT by Hope for the Republic (The 1st amendment is guaranteed by the 2nd amendment.)
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To: Hope for the Republic
Why are we spending ( as taxpayers) up to $30,000/child/year on government schooling and NO ONE has taken the time to see if it works? Does that make sense to you as an engineer?

No teacher, no “educator”, NEA union member, or college professor of education has ever, even once, posted even ONE link to any study that separates what is learned in the classroom from hard work done IN THE HOME by the parents, the child doing homework and projects, and paid and unpaid tutors. A Stanford University professor of education e-mailed me and told me these studies have NEVER been done!

Honestly....up to THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS /year/kid on an unproven and untested program of government schooling? Does this make any sense to you as an engineer?

As for homeschooling:
It is a grassroots movement that has now grown to be 4% of the school-aged population. It is composed of moms and pops meeting in their local church basements, and you seriously expect scientifically rigorous studies to be organized and funded from this group of people? Really?

The truth is that if “professional” teachers, the NEA, and professors of education ( all of whom have bottomless pits of taxpayer dollars) were curious people they would have, long ago, fully studied homeschooling, adults who have been homeschooled, and homeschooling methods. They don't because on literally pennies a day ordinary moms and pops are putting to shame what is euphemistically called “education” in the socialist-entitlement government indoctrination camps.

Finally...It is my guess that if every government school were permanently closed tomorrow, the same kids getting and education today would get one tomorrow. The same kids not getting and education would not get one tomorrow. Why? Because the real educators are and the real education happens IN THE HOME and has been since the dawn of humanity.

196 posted on 08/11/2012 10:56:24 AM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: Hope for the Republic
We have a somewhat crude expression in my profession. In my profession when something appears to be working we **immediately** study it to find out why or possibly why it might not be. We are “all over it like flies on s***t!”

**IF** government teachers, principals, superintendents, and college professors were **really** genuinely interested in educating children ( as they continually claim to be) and finding the best and most effective ways to teach the children they say they love soooooo much, they would be all over homeschooling “like flies on s***t!”

They aren't!

In fact, they aren't even interested in finding out if their own government schools are the reason kids learn or if it is due to the “afterschooling” and “preschooling” done by the parents, the child by doing homework and projects, or paid or unpaid tutoring.

Here is an anecdotal example:

Three of my children were homeschooled. All were accepted into college by the ages of 13, 12, and 13. All finished all college general courses and Calculus III by the age of 15 and two finished B.S. degrees in mathematics by the age 18. One earned a masters in math by the age of 20. All are, now, highly successful and responsible citizens, spouses, parents.

These children were featured in our local paper several times. The two who earned degrees in math were the subject of a full page article in the university paper. While the math professors were keenly interested in their success and the process to achieve this level of success, NEVER ( not once) has any teacher, principal, superintendent, teacher here on Free Republic, or professor of education ever contacted me, my children, or our family to learn about our methods.

NOT very curious people, are “educators”, at least as it applies to the very well publicized success of my homeschooling children. And....Since no one is able provide links to studies done by “professional” educators of homeschoolers in general it appears they aren't curious about other homeschoolers either and their so called concern about educating children or even loving them is a lie.

199 posted on 08/11/2012 11:20:23 AM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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