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"Progressives" seek to define anyone who disagrees with them out of the argument. That is why they refuse to acknowledge the effectiveness of guns for defense of self and the Constitution.
1 posted on 07/28/2012 5:51:51 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

There is one other, now well established, little factoid that completely destroys any argument for gun control: Annually, legally owned guns are used anywhere from 1.5 to 2.5 million times to defend a citizen from a criminal. In most of those cases merely pointing the gun at the criminal is enough to stop him.

The life and property saved annually by private citizens with legally owned guns in literally incalculable. It is an irrefutable fact that disarming the populace will cost far, far more lives than it saves.


2 posted on 07/28/2012 6:01:55 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: marktwain
"Progressives" seek to define anyone who disagrees with them out of the argument.

To this point -- I heard a host on NPR who really made this technique blatantly obvious.

She wasn't attempting to persuade anyone of a particular viewpoint.
She made no effort to put forth any facts.
She wasn't using logic to argument her point.
She simply expressed scorn when her guest expressed a view which differed from hers. She mocked them, laughed at them, asserted that they were wrong in every way. Their arguments were not worth considering because they disagreed with her.

Yes, the topic was gun control, but it could have been any topic at all. This is the only way that Liberals seem to be able to address political issues: treat their opponents as if they simply don't count.

3 posted on 07/28/2012 6:02:00 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: marktwain

Progressives are only interested in gun control for reasons of their own security. They don’t care if criminals continue to have guns. They’re not a threat to them, they’re part of the dependent base. But the law-abiding patriot with a gun is a threat to them.


4 posted on 07/28/2012 6:03:38 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: marktwain

Make it simple. Gun banners, for the avowed purpose of saving lives, want to create a culture which makes an early death seem desirable.


5 posted on 07/28/2012 6:08:03 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Free healthcare is worth FAR LESS than it costs.)
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To: marktwain; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; ...
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” - Thomas Jefferson

Pastor Niemolle said the following about the Nazis gaining total power in Germany:

“First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

“Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

“Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

“Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.”

It can also go like this in the very near future if we listen to your above logic:

“First they came for the assault rifles and I did not speak out because I did not own one.

“Then they came for the semi-automatic rifles and I did not speak out because I did not own one.

“Then they came for the handguns and I did not speak out because I did not own one.

“Then they came for the rest of the bolt-action, lever-action and single shot hunting/sporting rifles and I did not speak out because I did not own one.

“Then they came for the shotguns and I did not speak out because I did not own one.

“Then they came for me and there was not one gun in private hands to defend me.”

7 posted on 07/28/2012 6:37:06 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: marktwain

What keeps Progressives up at night: if their next un-Constitutional step on the American timber rattlesnake will be their last.


8 posted on 07/28/2012 6:48:07 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: marktwain

The best argument for no gun control is the Cold War.

USA, Britain and Russia had the biggest guns.

We had the Deterrent.

We called ours Poseidon and Minuteman.

Big guns, little guns, no difference-

A deterrent is a deterrent,
Minuteman or AK-47 no difference.


12 posted on 07/28/2012 7:32:25 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (???? . what??? Who knew? .)
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To: marktwain
The FIRST thing to consider is that it is my RIGHT to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS as GUARANTEED by The SECOND AMENDMENT of The Constitution and SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

If you wish to restrict these rights, either by controlling firearms, ammunition, etc., then The Constitution provides methods for Amending and changing it. So follow those methods and repeal the Second Amendment. Until such time, anyone - especially politicians - wishing to deny MY Constitutional Rights can Go To Hell!

13 posted on 07/28/2012 7:35:37 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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To: marktwain

The word that is forgotten by some, and reviled by others is Freedom.
Mayor Bloomberg has his cadre of hired guns, as either in the office of mayor, or because he is a multi-millionaire, and we, the great unwashed, cannot.
Congress has their hired guns, but again, we, cannot.

TheSupreme Court has said, loudly and definitively, yes, we can.
Yet, our sitting President believes that, we, should not.

I believe in Freedom, and the personal responsibility, that comes with it.
My personal sovereignty, when and if ever challenged by a
government desiring to curtail my Freedom, shall be answered,
ammunition first, as our ancestors did at Concord.


16 posted on 07/28/2012 9:05:10 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: marktwain

The word that is forgotten by some, and reviled by others is Freedom.
Mayor Bloomberg has his cadre of hired guns, as either in the office of mayor, or because he is a multi-millionaire, and we, the great unwashed, cannot.
Congress has their hired guns, but again, we, cannot.

TheSupreme Court has said, loudly and definitively, yes, we can.
Yet, our sitting President believes that, we, should not.

I believe in Freedom, and the personal responsibility, that comes with it.
My personal sovereignty, when and if ever challenged by a
government desiring to curtail my Freedom, shall be answered,
ammunition first, as our ancestors did at Concord.


17 posted on 07/28/2012 9:05:17 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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