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DOJ: Family Can't Run Their Business as Catholics
Townhall.com ^ | July 25, 2012 | Terry Jeffrey

Posted on 07/25/2012 10:18:13 AM PDT by Kaslin

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The Newland family owns and operates Hercules Industries, a Colorado-based corporation that manufactures heating, ventilation and air-conditioning equipment. Through their hard work and dedication, and through their willingness to reinvest their own money in building their family business, they have managed to create jobs for 265 people while exerting a positive influence on the communities they serve.

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41 posted on 07/25/2012 1:35:11 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: Kaslin
catholics put obama into office. catholics pushed for nationalized healthcare. Some of us told the bishops this would happen. they didn't listen.

So, really, it's a bitch when the Church's worst enemy is the Church.

42 posted on 07/25/2012 2:42:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (If Bill Ayers had a son, he'd look like James Holmes.)
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To: Kaslin; johngrace

The Catholics can’t run a business? Yet the Cathy family can run Chick-fil A


43 posted on 07/25/2012 4:42:46 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: billys kid
You’re joking right? Willard Romney forced Catholic hospitals to provide morning after pills to rape victims. Knowing full well that that the Catholic Church does not believe in abortion, contraception and sterlization. He also forced Catholic Charities to shut down their adoption agency because the Catholic Church does not believe in homosexual adoption.

And you have proof of this?

44 posted on 07/25/2012 5:00:57 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I am Catholic and I never voted for the rat party and their candidates, and never will


45 posted on 07/25/2012 5:03:38 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I am Catholic and I never voted for the rat party and their candidates, and never will


46 posted on 07/25/2012 5:04:08 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: DannyTN
There's not a choice this time. I'm voting third party.

Good; you have my support -- even/especially if others will ridicule you for it.

47 posted on 07/25/2012 5:25:40 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: mnehring
If they don’t want to or can’t continue to fight, I would suggest subdividing their business

The contraception mandate remains a gross violation of their right to practice religion no matter how they respond to it.

48 posted on 07/25/2012 5:36:16 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Not arguing that point, only suggesting how a business can survive in face of such an attack.


49 posted on 07/25/2012 5:42:36 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

I understand that for some businesses keeping each unit count under 50 might be the only option.

But consider that, first, this puts a limit on how big they can grow, because beyond 5-10 units the business as a whole becomes ungovernable. Some businesses want to grow big to attract large customers, secure large loans, etc. They will have to foreclose on these opportunities by breaking up.

Second, that may expose them to other charges, for example, that the breakup is only for the purposes of evading the law. Obamacare is not the only law with small business exemptions; there are various regulatory obligations that kick in beyond 50 employees. They get a huge legal exposure if they break up without creating truly independent units.

Finally, if this law passes legal scrutiny in principle, the matter to adjust the employee limit downward becomes trivial. Soon, they will have to break up again.

Their real morally acceptable options are fight, sell or liquidate.


50 posted on 07/25/2012 6:11:44 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: OneWingedShark

As am I. I did my part. Fought long and hard for the conservatives to defeat Mitt Romney.


51 posted on 07/25/2012 6:16:44 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Sherman Logan
it is certainly an expansion of the issue

That has been the issue all along. For the same reason that it is unjust to make a Catholic hospital facilitate selling contraception, it is unjust t make anyone Catholic to facilitate selling contraception.

The same, mutatis mutandis, applies to a Jehova's Witness being forced to facilitate blood transfusions, or a Jew being forced to sell ham sandwiches, or a Baptist to serve a bar.

52 posted on 07/25/2012 6:37:17 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Kaslin
As posted on other thread...

"The First Amendment Complaint does not allege that the company is affiliated with a formally religious entity such as a church," said the Justice Department. "Nor does it allege that the company employs persons of a particular faith. In short, Hercules Industries is plainly a for-profit, secular employer."

"By definition," said the Justice Department, "a secular employer does not engage in any 'exercise of religion.'"

"It is well established that a corporation and its owners are wholly separate entities, and the Court should not permit the Newlands to eliminate that legal separation to impose their personal religious beliefs on the corporate entity or its employees," said the Justice Department.

I believe the recent SCOTUS decision pertaining to corporate entities expressing their first amendment rights, including freedom of religious speech, via campaign contributions established precedence and certainly entitles them to express their first amendment rights within the corporation.

53 posted on 07/25/2012 8:03:27 PM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: Kaslin

Good church/bad church.


54 posted on 07/26/2012 4:21:19 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (If Bill Ayers had a son, he'd look like James Holmes.)
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To: cport

By their logic the moment a human being steps over the threshold of a secular, for-profit business, he stops being what he is and becomes instead a secular for-profit person, with a different, secular and for-profit, conscience.

Hitler, with his Nuremberg laws that excluded Jews from certain professions had better respect for the human integrity that the Obama ghouls.


55 posted on 07/26/2012 5:37:34 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
By their logic the moment a human being steps over the threshold of a secular, for-profit business, he stops being what he is and becomes instead a secular for-profit person, with a different, secular and for-profit, conscience.

This is one of the approaches to trying to minimize religious influence to the benefit of the state. Another is the idea of safeguarding "freedom of worship" as opposed to freedom of religion. Yet another is the long-standing practice of creating entitlements that establish dependency on government at the cost of private charity. You can throw same sex marriage, legal adoption by gays, government support of embryonic stem cell research, etc. into the mix also.

The entire process is aimed at restricting religious influence to Sunday mornings in Church if, and only if, the right things are said at the pulpit.

This is indeed a war on religion by the state and a society bent on reducing the moral influence of the Church.

Properly seen, this is a spiritual struggle between evil and good.

56 posted on 07/26/2012 5:59:07 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: johniegrad
This is indeed a war on religion

This is simply a war on the people. The Newlands, for example, are not "religion", they are human beings attacked by Obama's oppression machine.

57 posted on 07/26/2012 5:54:04 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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