Skip to comments.Virginia’s Goode could be Romney’s undoing
Posted on 07/24/2012 6:28:39 PM PDT by xzins
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Romney boasted that he would be better for gay rights than Ted Kennedy.
Any executive order can be rescinded immediately. An executive order, fwiw, is simply an executive’s decision position on how he will or won’t handle a given situation/law.
About the concept of God I learned from a Indian Chief in a greater sense here in the Northwest. It was standing before a circle of rocks on the ground, known as a Medicine Wheel that I learned a great teaching: Each rock represents a doorway. Each doorway leads to the Great Spirit, the Father of all life. Mormonism is a doorway.
It was Christ who said, “You are Petros and upon this rock petra I will build my Church.”(Mat 16:18-20).
The prayer circle is found in many religions throughout the ages. I will say that Christ is the best rock in that circle. My Indian Chief friend agreed as he held a smoldering sage stick.
Correct. So who do you dream is going to rescind these if Obama gets another term?
Romney undid himself more than forty years ago, when he became a flaming liberal.
True. He said he'd be their best friend, and that his being a republican would give him inroads that a democrat wouldn't be permitted.
Recently he has supported gay couples. Then he said those gay couples should be allowed to adopt children.
He didn't denounce Obama's amnesty plan for "any" child of illegals.
He didn't denounce military uniforms in gay pride parades.
He still hasn't denounced Romneycare and its $50 abortions at taxpayer expense.
PAGING ROSS PEROT.
MR. PEROT, PLEASE PICK UP THE HOUSE PHONE.
THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN EAGERLY AWAITS ....
If that is true (which it is) then Congress should and must impeach him (which they won't because they are all cowards).
I'm willing to bet that only about 1% of the Romneybots on this thread voted for him in the primaries. I'd also bet that most of the rest of you ABO people vowed not to vote for Romney under any circumstances. That was the prevailing position for most freepers before Romney locked up the nomination with votes from liberal independent and democrat crossovers.
Now that Romney is perceived as the last best hope, you've all changed your tune.
Fine vote for Romney. Sacrifice your principles on the altar of expediency. Give him the mandate to be the progressive anti-tea party liberal he has always been and always will be.
The CONSERVATIVE who wins in 2016 because the GOP will have learned not to ram liberals down our throats!
He's flexible and willing to make adjustments when necessary.
Good for you. I plan to think for myself.
I have gone into the archives and discovered you are exactly correct. When I check a particular freeper's preferred candidate it is never romney.
However, when I check negative comments about Romney I get that from about 98% of the ABO's. Interestingly, I find a few that appear to have treated Romney with kid gloves all along...almost as if they were silent supporters.
We have discussed this before. If we can take the senate and hold firm the House of Representatives, Obama will have to survive on EO’s (executive orders) alone, because he will be frozen in place, unable to move anything or get a single thing funded.
With Romney, Republican majorities will pass socialism for the show if nothing else. This has been the opinion of many of us since Romney floated to the top like the corpse he is.
These hysterical tools used by the party who are voting fearfully for Romney will find themselves in shock with a Romney win, more than they can imagine, with all their big talk about holding feet to the fire “after the election”. How desperate. The Republicans have rejected them wholesale but for using them as pack mules to get Romney over the line to be discarded later.
We are in trouble, but it isn’t us who started this, it’s those who have slept, cooperated, complied and cowered.
I see you have no idea of the damage Obama can do in a second term. I feel like I’m conversing with a six-year-old. I’m going to exit this thread now and stop wasting my time.
If "Mormonism is a doorway" -- then you've just committed the error of calling Jesus Christ a liar or a false prophet:
Instead of what you were taught, The Christian gospel cites Jesus as saying: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by me." (Jesus Christ, the Head of the universal church, John 14:6)
In stark contrast, The Romneyfied Mormon substitute gospel -- sounds mighty familiar to the false gospel you were given by that spiritist-oriented chief:
"It [the Mormon church] is the way, the truth, and the Life." [Source: Marion G. Romney, the father's cousin of Mitt Romney was one of the Top three ranking Mormons when he said it: "This Church is the ensign on the mountain spoken of by the Old Testament prophets. IT is the way, the truth, and the life" (Conference Report, April, 1961, p. 119)]
Sorry, jonrick...blasphemers like Marion Romney aren't to be hugged to death for usurping Jesus Christ! (And why did that Indian chief indirectly label Jesus as a liar or false prophet...or somebody who didn't even know His identity as "THE Way" if there are multiple ways???)
Again, the Christian gospel: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by me." (Jesus Christ, the Head of the universal church, John 14:6)
Good night! You really went off with your multiple postings. Methinks you are very much excited about Romney’s Mormon thing. Believe me, I have read much about Mormonism and it is not the brightest rock (from my earlier post) in the collection.
Just think about the concept of God and how he works. God will use something like Mormonism for his own glory. We cannot put God in a box. He has made man to seek his glory. Man exists for God’s glory. The circle of eternity. This is the key: We cannot determine for God what is in His best interest (which is what men do wrong).
“I see you have no idea of the damage Obama can do in a second term. I feel like Im conversing with a six-year-old. Im going to exit this thread now and stop wasting my time.”
You probably don’t want to hear this, but I’m pretty sure the destruction that Romney does to conservatism and shifting the GOP to the left is even more damaging long term, than the damage Zero can do in the next four years.
I’ll vote for conservatives down the ticket, but won’t support either gun grabbing, global warming, abortion supporting socialist.
If you can look yourself in the mirror and be ok with supporting an unapologetic implementer of socialized medicine.....go for it. Sometimes, I wish I could lower my standards and feel ok about it as well.
If Obama is re-elected, then the Tea Party will have to force congress to impeach the bastard. I don't want another 4 years of Obama anymore than anyone else on this thread, but elections are not the only way to oust a tyrant.
The politics of Virginia reflect a state that is beginning to experience a conflict between its increasingly liberal northern region and its traditionally conservative southern region. Although traditionally conservative and historically part of the South, modern Virginia is a politically competitive state for both major national parties.
As federal spending continues to grow, a substantial chunk winds up in Northern Virginia. Virginia will NEVER again vote for a presidential candidate serious about reigning in federal agency and federal government power and growth.
Ya wanna convincingly tell us how a religion like Mormonism -- one that "mass produces" gods like a factory -- would "glorify God" when it produces beings in competition with Him as "rival gods?"
Temple Mormons like Romney believe they will one day run their own planet; receive worship like God; receive prayers like God; and receive all glory from the beings they "create."
The cousin of Romney's own father, Marion Romney, was one of THE TOP THREE hierarchical Mormons. Marion Romney said: The truth is man is a child of God a God in embryo". (Marion G. Romney, in Conference Report, April 1973, p. 136; or Ensign, July 1973, p. 14).
Likewise, one of the "prophets" Mitt Romney honored as HIS "prophet" from when Romney was age 26 thru age 38 was Spencer W. Kimball...
Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978...a doctrinal change that also impacted how Mormons see "Lamanites" -- Native Americans...as the Book of Mormon taught that Native Americans' skin color would change ... [Mormon racism]
Lds "prophets" like John Taylor (3rd Lds "prophet") and Kimball (12th Lds "prophet") likewise taught the "gods in embryo"???(Kimball was one of its key proponents)
Mormonism teaches this false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god?
Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:
1969 "Being a god in embryo with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)
A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)
To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.
September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)
1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a god in embryo. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975
November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of ones lifeto substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine
This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp
Thanks for the material to bolster arguments against the dangers posed by Romney.
I know this will not register for many. They are so desparate to choose someone other than Obama, that they will gladly back the GOP’s candidate who is a dangerous Trojan horse. The threat inherent in legitimizing Mormonism cannot be overstated. Mormonism and Islam are very similar. But whereas the west would be reluctant to accept many aspects of Islam, Mormonism stands poised to be mainlined given its pioneering past and social conservatism. These mask the age old lie of spiritual Babylon.
It does not matter one whit how high the stakes seem to people who only look at the short term. These groups see the things that made America worth preserving as being every bit as lost with Romney as they are with Obama - for one group due to Romney's record and for the other due to Romney's religion.
If you want their vote, you have to have a candidate that offers an America they believe in, and Romney does not.
In a situation where they perceive themselves to lose regardless, they will go with their principles. The tattered shreds that might go away slower with Romney (wealth) do not rate very with social conservatives.
Its a bit late in the game for you to be panicking. You should have panicked earlier and worked harder to derail Romney, if you think he needs the socon vote or the religious Christian vote.
As Christians see it, hard times bring people to the end of themselves and they may come to Christ.
As social conservatives see it, civil war may be needed to preserve our freedoms and whatever wake up call it takes is worth it.
Your fears are necessary fires to the groups Goode is getting votes from. You have zip to offer with Romney.
Bingo on all counts!
Romney is the RINOs' way of ensuring that future GoP voters get stripped of all key identity-voting issues other than the "R" they are sewing on voters' clothing...
Pro-abort? (The new Romneyites conclude, "Who cares? I've jettisoned the pre-born.")
And the GoP, which is already down to a record-low Major party % of just 29% of all registered voters, will scatter to the wind once Romney is nominated. There won't be a GoP "base" left after this election.
I know I'm leaving the GoP (for either Constitution Party or Independent status) once Romney is officially nominated...and I will advocate that others follow that exodus...
That will leave just two liberal parties trying to outliberal each other...just like we have two liberal candidates duking it out for the liberal & independent votes...while the conservatives get taken for a ride with two spiritually-drunk drivers at the wheel!
“Because he sees Romney as the THREAT to America, not Obama ..”
Romney and Obama are two side of the same coin...what’s pitifully left of the dollar.
The biggest threat to these United States is the two -party illusion the media continue to try to cram down the throats of We the People....7th century diaperheads wrapped with a fanbelt not-withstanding.
The consequences of bipartisan collusion to strip out the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the freedoms free men and free markets require to be productive are not solved with a Romney presidency. All a Romney presidency accomplishes is a kick of the can down the road a block farther than another , weakened Obama presidency can accomplish. That’s it. Period.
I appreciate your discernment; your wisdom; and your feedback.
Arrogance, fear, and insults. The whole Romney Republican package. By necessity, of course. It's all you've got.
Also...at least as far as FREEPERs go...if you subtract 100% of FREEPER votes (& give them to Virgil Goode) in the conservative states noted in the chart below, Romney would still win those states. Your pro-Romney vote -- unlike what Moonshot has said -- won't matter...in those states. The most that Romney moonbeam utilitarian arguments could even count is within swing states listed below: [ROMNEY STATES] Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, West Virginia, Indiana, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Arizona, Alaska, Georgia, South Carolina, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee."
Lady, you're an idiot. But I don't mind taking you to the woodshed again and again ... Goode is not on the ballot in even half of those 23 states. Not even one-third...
Firebrand, I have done nothing except politely disagree with you.
I have not questioned your integrity or your loyalty to our nation. I believe you see yourself between a rock and a hard place, and you think you have chosen the correct direction.
Instead, I would like to recruit you to a different direction and a different viewpoint.
Yeah, but they're fun to play with once in a while...
Thank you, EV.
The strongest case for Romney is the Supreme Court. With Romney, we might get good judges nominated and confirmed. With Obama, it is a guarantee we’ll get more terrible justices like Sotomayor and Kagan. Even if the GOP were to take the Senate, we have no reason to expect they’d vote down an Obama nominee.
If Obama wins and gets to replace Ginsburg or Breyer, that would be bad enough as he will have replaced the entire liberal bloc on the Sup Court, depriving us of a chance to really right the Court. If he gets to replace Scalia or Kennedy, then it’s over for any hope of a return to Constitutional jurisprudence.
The Second Amendment, for example, will be gutted of any meaning should Obama get to replace Scalia or Kennedy, both of whom voted the right way in the Heller and McDonald cases.
Has Goode challenged Obama to a presidential debate yet?
Not taking his calls?
We have no reason to believe that, certainly not from his legacy as a governor where less than one-third of his judicial appointees were Republican and a couple were even homosexual activists. If you haven't done so already, please Google the search terms "Romney" and "judicial appointments."
Would he be willing to show his good faith by identifying now who he will commit to appointing to the Supreme Court? Probably not.
Would he be willing to show his good faith by making a commitment now to appoint to the Supreme Court only men or women who have committed themselves to overturning Roe v. Wade? Probably not.
What commitments would he be willing to make now? Given his demonstrated flexibility through time, would any kind of commitment from him mean anything?
Did you know that he has said that he would appoint judges like Chief Justice Roberts?
Goode’s just another Democrat for Obama. Came a bit too late in life to “awaken” to the corruption in liberalism, if you ask me.
After the election, he will "have more flexibility" as he said to the Russians.
Goode had 3 and a half years to mount a credible campaign. Can’t even manage to get on the ballot in all 50 states.
He will not win the election.
Say all you want about the (D) and (R) candidates, they are both in the running.
Goode will not place in the top 2.
I even listed for you (see post #35) which states Goode is on the ballot...You mentioned those 23 conservative states -- that Goode "is...Not even" on "one-third" of those states...Last time I looked at math, 8 is OVER one-third of 23!
Those 8 conservative states? Tennessee, South Dakota, South Carolina, Mississippi, Missouri, Idaho, Wyoming, and Utah.
Stupid is as stupid does. (And you go 'round calling others an "idiot?")
Per the July 24, 2012 Roanoke Times: Former U.S. Rep. Virgil Goode, seeking the presidency as the Constitution Party nominee, on Monday turned in petitions at the North Carolina State Board of Elections. Goode will be a certified write-in candidate and votes for him will count in North Carolina if more than 500 petition signatures of qualified voters are confirmed. In his home state of Virginia, meanwhile, Goode said he already has submitted 14,375 signatures and aims to collect a few thousand more before the Aug. 24 deadline to get on the fall ballot. Virginia requires signatures of at least 10,000 qualified voters, including at least 400 from each of its 11 congressional districts. Goode said he's qualified for the ballot in 17 states but is aiming to win access in at least 40.
Virgil Goode says he's made it on 17 state ballots
So...let's "review," shall we?
1. Goode will easily get on the ballot in his home state of VA...making Virginia the 18th state (BTW, the one state I left off in post #35 is New Mexico, which became the 17th state for Goode to be on its ballot). The Goode Web site cited an in-state July poll which said his in-state numbers have jumped from 5% to 9%.
2. After VA becomes state #18, Goode plans on adding 22 more states to qualify for those state ballots = 40.
3. Per the Roanoke Times, even a state where he won't be on the ballot -- North Carolina -- he will still be a "certified write-in candidate" in that state.
4. If you live in Oregon, BOTH Goode and Romney will be on THAT ballot. Romney won't do any better than Goode in collecting Oregon electoral votes. If you tell people in OR not to vote for Goode 'cause he can't win, you might as well be consistent & say the same thing for Romney in that state...'cause neither will win there. Oregon voters, vote for Virgil Goode and send a message to those RINOs!!!!
5. Once Goode reaches the Aug. 24 deadline to get on the Virginia ballot, that'll place him on the ballot in 8 (count 'em 8) swing states (Ohio, Florida, Colorado, Virginia, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Mexico, and Nevada)...with more to come...Virgil Goode will be a force to reckon with for Romney...
6. Even in conservative states expected to go "Romney," when you look @ the high Evangelical voter base in those states where Goode already is on that ballot...Mississippi, Missouri, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, etc. ... there could be a few surprises...FREEPERs: If you live in those states -- and if 100% of you FREEPERs voted for Goode, Obama still won't win those states! So vote for Goode!!!
Tom, are you on any other states???
I see your VP nominee is from Tennessee. Will you get on there?
With two REAL conservatives on the Florida ballot (Virgil Goode & Tom Hoefling), that will make the Florida race quite interesting!!!!
Third party candidates: Cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Show me the link where Obama has denounced gay couples.
I will show you a zillion links where real people, middle class people, are suffering in this Obama economy. My own two kids are about to graduate from a university and they are worried about finding jobs. May be it does not affect computer geeks posting stuff to diminish GOP turnout.
Second place only counts in horse-racing...'tis a ridiculous conclusion to cite how second-place is somehow of import.
Fact: Neither Goode nor Romney will beat out Obama in Oregon. It won't matter electorally if Romney beats Goode in Oregon...he'll still finish a "loser" in Oregon!!! Therefore, the REAL conservatives on FR should be carrying over their pragmatic utilitarian political relativism that they've been practicing on behalf of Romney and apply it to Virgil Goode. Instead of talking smack about Goode -- for say, Oregon voters -- if they were TRUE conservatives, they'd want Oregon voters to send a message to the RINO GoP and push Goode ahead of Romney there...at least as a token message to the RINOs.
But the Romneybots betray their conservative principles. They don't push Goode in Oregon...why not?
We adults will do the heavy lifting to defeat this pos wanna be dictator.
What ever the result may be from this election, you and your ilk lose the right to bitch for ever more.
What a bunch of petulant selfish teenager types you are.
It won't be good for THIS conservative! I shudder to think what an 'unbridled by the need for re-election' Obama would do to this country.
I want to see him defeated and humiliated, and as many as can be defeated, his Democrat buds in the Senate and House along with him.
If Obama is guaranteed a win in Oregon, stay home or go to the polls and leave the top slot blank to “send a message”.
Telegrams work too.
AND that is why WE must make sure that oboma fails in November. Commies never give up and they never sleep. We must start thinking like the boots on the ground that we are, and win this war, before it is too late. And if oboma wins in November, it WILL be too late for us.
I totally agree with you. The righteous are once again pounding away at Romney's religion. Like I've said previously, Mormonism is of NO threat to me. oboma’s socialsit/communist/marxist/revolutinary/sharia law loving policies ARE the greatest threat to us all. I say to these bashers on this link, stop already with the bashing of Romney's religion...just own up to the fact that you're making excuses for why you will vote for oboma, and not Romney. And if Romney loses in November, own up to the fact that your “righteousness” won you and the rest of us a whole lot of hell under the jackboot of oboma the dictator. All we can do is say a prayer that these folks see the light before it's too late....and if not, they had better step aside as we will be going on to win the war without them.
Well, tell your candidate he had damned well better campaign and vote Conservative, and you won’t have anything to worry about. So far, Romney looks like Obama Light.
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