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Gun control calls follow shooting, but few expect major changes
The Hill ^ | 07/21/12 | Jordy Yager and Mike Lillis

Posted on 07/21/2012 6:17:56 AM PDT by markomalley

A handful of Democrats are pressing for tougher gun laws in the wake of the Colorado movie theater shootings that left 12 people dead.

Moving such bills has become extraordinarily difficult on Capitol Hill because of powerful gun rights allegiances, however, and Republican strategists predicted the latest gun violence was unlikely to lead to significant changes.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) — whose husband was killed and son seriously injured in a 1993 shooting on a Long Island commuter train — told reporters on Friday that the National Rifle Association (NRA) and other opponents of gun control have a simple but effective strategy following gun violence tragedies.

“They will wait it out, wait it out, wait it out, until people forget about it again, until another tragedy happens like last night,” said McCarthy. “We should be proactive before another tragedy happens.

"There are ways of doing this without infringing upon anyone's rights,” she said.

McCarthy and Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) have worked closely together on a bill that would tighten restrictions on gun shows, where firearms can be easily bought by people with criminal records in some states.

Lautenberg, who introduced a measure banning high-capacity ammunition magazines following the Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) shooting, also called for legislative action on the issue.

“We have to face the reality that these types of tragedies will continue to occur unless we do something about our nation’s lax gun laws,” said Lautenberg.

With a few exceptions, horrific shootings have not led to legislative action on gun laws, Neither the shooting last year of Giffords nor the Virginia Tech shooting that killed 32 people in 2007 led to massive changes in gun laws.

Staunch gun proponents say this time will be no different.

“Any time there’s a horrific attack on U.S. soil where a gun is used, the left comes after the Second Amendment in a knee jerk fashion,” said GOP consultant Matt Mackowiak.

“There’s a strong, bipartisan majority in the House that supports the Second Amendment and the NRA policy viewpoint, which aligns with the majority view in public opinion, meaning little is likely to change politically.”

Even some Democrats expressed caution, which perhaps reflects the political danger some in the party see — just months before the election — of taking on gun legislation.

“This is no time for politics or partisanship,” Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.), the head of Democrats’ re-election efforts in the House, said. “Today it is important that we come together as Americans.”

Gun rights supporters such as Rep. Ron Paul (Texas) argue that law-abiding gun owners should not be forced to pay the price for criminals who commit senseless acts of violence.

“Sadly, there are always bad actors who try to cynically exploit crises to advance their agenda, much like the statist elements who used the vicious attacks on 9/11 to ram through the USA PATRIOT Act and erode our Fourth Amendment protections,” Jesse Benton, a Paul spokesman, said in a statement to The Hill.

“We are likely to see this same kind of demagoguery done with the horrible tragedy in Colorado, but Dr. Paul and his allies are unwavering in fight to protect all Constitutional rights for all Americans,” Benton said.

Some of the most strident comments for gun reform on Friday came from New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino, the co-chairmen of the Mayors Against Illegal Guns group.

Bloomberg made repeated calls throughout the day for President Obama and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney to firmly announce their stance on gun laws and what they would do differently if elected to the White House in November.

Friday's shooting is likely to reignite the debate over interstate concealed carry laws and the national assault weapons ban, among many other possible sticking points between advocates on either side of the issue.

One of the weapons used in Friday's shooting was an AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifle, which will raise questions about whether to reinstate the assault weapons ban that was signed by President Bill Clinton in 1994 but allowed to expire 10 years later under President George W. Bush.

The House late last year passed a bill sponsored by Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) that would allow people with concealed gun permits to carry their concealed firearm in any other state that issues similar permits.

Stearns told The Hill that Friday’s shooting would have no effect on the legislation, which is currently being considered by the Senate, and he pressed for his colleagues to disavow any attempt at linking the two.

“There is absolutely no correlation between the legislation and this horrible incident in Aurora, Colorado,” said Stearns in a statement. “And I’m hopeful that no one would try to distort the facts to politicize the loss of so many innocent lives.”

One of the rare exceptions of a shooting that resulted in successful gun legislation came shortly after the Virginia Tech tragedy, when Congress passed a measure that was backed by the NRA.

The law bolsters the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) system by providing states with financial incentives to report records of mental illness to the FBI. Bush signed the NICS Improvement Amendments Act in early 2008, but reporting by states remains voluntary.

Democrats on Friday were overwhelmingly reluctant to attribute the shooting to weak gun laws, waiting instead for law enforcement to investigate how and where the shooter got his firearms.

When a constituent posted a comment on Rep. Mike Quigley’s (D-Ill.) Facebook page urging the Illinois liberal to "sham[e] the NRA toadies in congress to enact some gun laws with teeth in them," Quigley said such a response would be premature and insensitive.

"Today, in this moment, let's keep the focus where it should be: on the people we've lost and those who need our support as they recover in the weeks ahead," said Quigley, among Washington's loudest voices in favor of stricter gun laws.

The NRA too was hesitant to lay its stake in the discussion beyond a two-sentence statement on Friday.

“Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families and the community," said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. “NRA will not have any further comment until all the facts are known.”


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Of course they will attempt to use a tragedy as an excuse to trample on peoples' civil liberties. That is just the way of Statists.
1 posted on 07/21/2012 6:18:01 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

It will be exploited to try and ratify UN arms/gun treaty, expand TSA screening beyond airports.


2 posted on 07/21/2012 6:24:29 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: markomalley

Mayor DUMBberg has already spoke through his nether region. He seems to hate everything , soda, salt, brains, etc. All the signs of a possible lunatic. All this while traveling in a bullet-proof limo surrounded by highly armed bodyguards.


3 posted on 07/21/2012 6:26:37 AM PDT by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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To: markomalley

Take away guns and crazed fools like this one in Colorado will build bombs. In fact this man had the bomb making tools he needed to make one.

When there are insane people who want to kill for any reason, they will find a way.


4 posted on 07/21/2012 6:30:57 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: markomalley

You can restrict weapons to only people with no police record. This kid would have still gotten his weapons.

You can restrict everyone to one weapon only. This kid would have bought his weapon and enough clips, to continue firing, while reloading.

You can restrict ammo purchases to 100 rounds a month. The kid would have patiently bought 100 rounds each month for eighteen months, and had more than enough ammo to do his damage.

You can restrict weapons entirely, and the kid would have bought the ingredients to build a bomb from his local farm store, the drug store, or the grocery.


5 posted on 07/21/2012 6:33:43 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks markomalley.


6 posted on 07/21/2012 6:46:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: markomalley; marktwain; Joe Brower; MestaMachine; Nachum

7 posted on 07/21/2012 6:47:13 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: markomalley

There’s only one law that could have prevented this tragedy, a law that would have guaranteed the rights of law abiding citizens to carry a ccw in the theater despite some stinking god damned sign posted on the front door that says otherwise. America has gone to hell. No law will protect you. People are eating each other. On a daliy basis, people are perpetrating vile acts of malice too heinous to describe. The streets of our cities are completely unsafe. More people were murdered in Chicago in the past 10 years than were killed in Afghanistan during the same period and Chicago has some of the strictest antigun laws in the country. Laws can not protect you or your family, only you can and if you don’t, that’s on you. As I type this, a .357 rests on my hip as it always does. If this SOB had gone off in my presence, tragedy would have been averted.


8 posted on 07/21/2012 6:48:28 AM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: Travis McGee

9 posted on 07/21/2012 7:00:18 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: pepsionice; Venturer

This guy was very smart, and a planner. Even without the AR-15, shotgun and pistols, he could have gone up into a tower like Charles Whitman at the U. of Texas. Just do it on the day of some festival or rally, with thousands of targets below him. Or, build bombs. Or, drive a big truck through a crowd at high speed. Etc etc etc.


10 posted on 07/21/2012 7:01:56 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: pepsionice
If just one patron had a conceal carry gun what would the total carnage have been? I was also very disappointed to hear testimony from several patrons that where hiding on the floor under this perpetrator that didn't have the sense or courage to kick this guy in the nuts to get him on the ground and over powered by some patrons.
11 posted on 07/21/2012 7:06:51 AM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: markomalley
Meanwhile, Google News lists a Democratic Underground thread on gun control as "news", but never anything from FR.
12 posted on 07/21/2012 7:08:08 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: markomalley

When guns are outlawed only Eric Holder and his drug dealing South-of-the-Border outlaws will have guns.


13 posted on 07/21/2012 7:09:51 AM PDT by jmax (I'm armed...round is chambered...full magazine is inserted...safety is off.)
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To: markomalley
I expect der Fuehrer to declare the shootings a crisis. Then he will issue an executive order banning ordinary citizens from owning firearms. And the Republicans will wail and gnash their teeth, and whine about how the executive order is illegal, but in the end do nothing, as usual.
14 posted on 07/21/2012 7:13:27 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Average Al
If just one patron had a conceal carry gun what would the total carnage have been?

Be careful. This was not your average nutcase like the perp in the Rep Giffords shooting.

This guy was very clear-headed, had a plan and would have been VERY hard to stop.

He had body armor, including leg guards and throat guards. He had a helmet, mask and used tear gas.

Just imagine trying to shoot this twit in a crowded theater, people panicking, using only a concealed pistol, from a distance, with tear gas clouding your vision and making you choke.

A concealed carrier would have been fairly ineffective against this guy.

This is the anarchist mentality --- they are not crazy, emotional loons, but meticulous planners and prepared for many eventualities.

15 posted on 07/21/2012 7:17:25 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: MestaMachine; Joe Brower; CodeToad
I'm on a tear since my teenage daughter showed me how to make these with Paint.


16 posted on 07/21/2012 7:19:36 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: markomalley

The gunman is a registered Democrat! The lefties screaming about guns don’t seem to understand that Colorado’s laws allow gun purchases and that if Coloradans were so “gun happy” (as one moron wrote) then the entire theater would have risen up and shot the monster to death. He was the only one sneaking into the theater with guns. He’s a deranged murderer trying to become the center of the attention. That was his reasoning, look at me, pay attention to me. Even his own mother knew that her son was capable of such an act, she wasn’t surprised. Sadly, no one tried to find “help” for him. I doubt any mental health professional could have prevented these murders. Are there laws that his parents could have used to have him “committed” to an institution or even evaluated as a very dangerous person? Banning guns seems to be the only answer for the lefties, what a farce!


17 posted on 07/21/2012 7:21:15 AM PDT by Rockiette (Democrats are not intelligent)
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To: markomalley

Notice the frequent reminders of the massacre at Columbine High School. One other commonality is that in both cases, bombs and/or destructive devices were left behind as part of the plan and in both cases the media focused on refining laws that prohibited possession of firearms and paid no attention to laws prohibiting destructive devices.

Another commonality is the so-called “assault weapon” ban. Advocates of that law jumped into high gear in the wake of the Columbine massacre, but a bit of fact checking would show that only two of the several weapons used in that killing would have been affected by the ban, putting aside how many other laws failed to protect those victims.

In the case of the Aurora massacre, of the three firearms used, only one was covered by the ban, and it is easily modified to comply with the ban.

But such trivialities has never stopped those who have other agendas from using mass murders as the basis to advance their cause.


18 posted on 07/21/2012 7:22:19 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Travis McGee

You’re correct. Had he driven an SUV into the crowd outside the theater would there be calls to ban SUV’s and confiscate all the ones on the road now? Had he managed to bar all the doors and use 5 gallon gas cans to set the place on fire would there be calls to ban 5 gallon gas cans? Or ban doors that could be blocked from the outside? Typical lib blame the tool used and not the tool using it.

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.


19 posted on 07/21/2012 7:25:46 AM PDT by rktman
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To: Travis McGee

Great. She just HAD to show you that!

You’ll forgive the twist of insult, but it’s funny anyway: How do you keep a dad busy? Show him Paint! hehe


20 posted on 07/21/2012 7:25:55 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

All true, But he could have been knocked over by the people on the ground that he stood over.


21 posted on 07/21/2012 7:27:20 AM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: CodeToad

I’ve wanted to put captions on pics for a decade. Now, I am unleashed.


22 posted on 07/21/2012 7:32:12 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: rktman

About 20 years ago a ticked off loon set fire to an after-hours disco/bar in NYC, and killed a bunch more than any shooter. Just used a can of gasoline at the door.


23 posted on 07/21/2012 7:35:49 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“This is the anarchist mentality -— they are not crazy, emotional loons, but meticulous planners and prepared for many eventualities.”

Now, if, on the other hand, a theater full of conceal/carry folks were at the movie that night...

Plan away now, Mr. Anarchist, and please include in your list of eventualities that EVENTUALLY, you are going to be struck by a slug...maybe it will be a .38...perhaps a .357 Sig...what about a .40...say those .45’s are looking pretty interesting...


24 posted on 07/21/2012 7:35:59 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: opentalk

When something like this happens why is it that all we do is blame guns as the cause? In any situation there could be multiple things working together in a disaster. In this case not only was a gun involved, costumes were involved, a violent movie, a late night hour, probabley drugs, alcohol and insanity (not only in the shooter). Why not just blame movies as a cause? Then the families of the victims could sue deep pockets such as the film company and movie theater. The actors and technicians who worked on the film also share blame. We don’t need gun control we need movie control. I wish someone would explain this to me as obviously I am missing something.


25 posted on 07/21/2012 7:38:36 AM PDT by urodoc (If you are not responsible you are irresponsible)
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To: markomalley

The bodies are not even cold and the usual suspects are calling for gun-control. It is so completely predictable just as night follows day.


26 posted on 07/21/2012 7:44:00 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: markomalley

“McCarthy and Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) have worked closely together on a bill that would tighten restrictions on gun shows, where firearms can be easily bought by people with criminal records in some states.

Lautenberg, who introduced a measure banning high-capacity ammunition magazines following the Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) shooting, also called for legislative action on the issue. “

As we heard, last evening, this deranged sociopath (the shooter, not Lautenberg) did NOT acquire his weapons at gun shows via illicit sales. He purchased them legally, at established retail outlets in Colorado.
And ‘high capacity’ magazines just mean more mag changes. In an enclosed setting, in a commercial venue that prohibits firearms on its premises, what was to stop this vicious attack?
And, now instead of addressing the issue, the natural tendency of the progressives is to add more and more restrictions, more and more regulation.

Sorry, I ain’t buyin’ it. An armed society is a polite society, after all. And, one or two armed CCL holders in the audience may have been able to shut this guy down before he shot 50+ people...


27 posted on 07/21/2012 7:48:14 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Notwithstanding all the body armor and such, the coward surrendered promptly when other men with guns arrived.


28 posted on 07/21/2012 7:50:59 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: markomalley

Guns were already completely, totally, 100% banned to citizens within the theater. Why isn’t this good enough?


29 posted on 07/21/2012 7:52:46 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Average Al

10-4. Correct. I DO NOT go to places like this that I cannot carry or my wife cannot slip her’s into her purse. If I cannot protect myself or my wife, then we do not go there. I simply refuse to put myself into a situation that I cannot defend myself. If we go to the stinking malls, we go armed. That simple. Malls are always targets for these types and I may very well be the first one he shoots, but if not, then I do not aim to be the 2d one if I can get my weapon out in time. I will shoot back.


30 posted on 07/21/2012 7:54:24 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (You can almost hear the footsteps of Jesus. He is right at the door!)
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To: opentalk

When something like this happens why is it that all we do is blame guns as the cause? In any situation there could be multiple things working together in a disaster. In this case not only was a gun involved, costumes were involved, a violent movie, a late night hour, probabley drugs, alcohol and insanity (not only in the shooter). Why not just blame movies as a cause? Then the families of the victims could sue deep pockets such as the film company and movie theater. The actors and technicians who worked on the film also share blame. We don’t need gun control we need movie control. I wish someone would explain this to me as obviously I am missing something.


31 posted on 07/21/2012 7:55:36 AM PDT by urodoc (If you are not responsible you are irresponsible)
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To: MarDav
Plan away now, Mr. Anarchist, and please include in your list of eventualities that EVENTUALLY, you are going to be struck by a slug...maybe it will be a .38...perhaps a .357 Sig...what about a .40...say those .45’s are looking pretty interesting...

Childish nonsense.

It was reported that James Holmes took a large dose of Vicodin as well. That meant, he could take bullet hits and keep fighting.

Pistol cartridges against body armor is useless. Add a crowded theater with panic and tear gas and you don't have much of a chance against this guy.

Once again, for those claiming a single person with a pistol could have stopped this, they are not thinking with their brain, just their emotions.

32 posted on 07/21/2012 7:57:36 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: coloradan
Notwithstanding all the body armor and such, the coward surrendered promptly when other men with guns arrived.

He was finished shooting and the vicodin effect was turning into drowsiness.

33 posted on 07/21/2012 7:58:49 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Manufactured anarchy is more than likely what has transpired, too coincidental with the current UN gun grabbing policy.

Too convenient to political events.

Though a remote possibility I am not throwing out ANY connection, that some person in a very high office doesn’t want any more personal attention upon him.

This shooter may be just what he is, a total loon, but I feel a much darker more organized agenda behind him, funding that came to him, strategy given to him, the way to monopolize the media blood frenzy by his peculiar actions, his surrender, his booby traps.

I am about to swear this is a staged planned anarchy attempt to sway opinions for gun control, similar to Australia years ago.

And they passed gun control in Australia.


34 posted on 07/21/2012 7:59:07 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Going mobile, posts will be brief. No spellcheck for the grammar nazis.)
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To: coloradan
Notwithstanding all the body armor and such, the coward surrendered promptly when other men with guns arrived.

He was finished shooting and the vicodin effect was turning into drowsiness.

35 posted on 07/21/2012 8:01:51 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: RetiredArmy

I don’t bother with public events I can observe at home.
Movies, NFL football, most college games, NASCAR racing etc.
Why waste the money and suffer the hassle and terrorist risk when the money can be better spent on something I can’t get for free?


36 posted on 07/21/2012 8:12:19 AM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: markomalley

31,000 people die in this country each year from gunshots while 1.2 million babies are sucked from their mother’s wombs; proving that Planned Parenthood is 38 times more dangerous than the National Rifle Association.


37 posted on 07/21/2012 8:20:28 AM PDT by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: pepsionice

You are correct. There is no law that could be passed that would have prevented this type of attack.


38 posted on 07/21/2012 8:36:06 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Erik Latranyi

Childish of you to not read my post more carefully. The suggestion in my original post centered around the idea behind Conceal/Carry, and the likelihood in such cases that multiple gun-toting, law-abiding citizens might be present at any given time. This would have to enter into the thinking of any serious planner of anarchy, no? That there may be present in a crowd of folks, at any given time, multiple trained/armed people ready (willing? able?) to defend their ground, may cause him to strap on an extra layer of kevlar, but he’s also not quite fully clear in thinking, “I’ve got this!”

Given that said person continues with his plan of mayhem and, in fact, runs into multiple gun-wielders, there is a far greater chance that the perpetrator would be struck by some sort of round (imagine 10 people with guns, each carry clips containing 12 rounds—that’s 120 rounds of ammo coming his way.

I realize armor-piercing rounds are generally not c/c folks’ round of choice, but 9mms, .40’s, .45’s are. If the the assailant is standing up at the front of the theater to begin his rampage, there would be quite a hail of “caliber salad” being tossed his way. As others have commented, being struck in a kevlar vest by a single round would have the potential of stunning. What about being struck by 20 rounds, hmmmmmmmmm? What about 5 rounds hitting chest, 3 hitting helmet? Is he falling to the ground yet? (Don’t forget, c/c’ers can be carrying multiple clips—how long can they keep this guy on the defensive?) Dreaming? Perhaps. But if there WERE 10 c/c’ers in the movie theater the other night, might we have read of such a scenario, given they may have been thinking, “It’s him or me.” In other words, would they have left their side-arm holstered thinking to themselves, “What good is my gun against all that?)

The larger point is this: we need to defend ourselves (until the police arrive!) That is our duty. If I’m out with my family and something like this happened and I was unable to protect my family, I wouldn’t know how to live with the aftermath (would you?) I can’t begin my defense with, “What’s the likelihood of me and my little old Sig 2022, .40 cal. stopping someone ready for Operation Desert Storm?” I’ll be cowed into doing nothing. All I can do is work with what I’ve got. Can we agree that multiple folks thinking like that, and you now have a more level playing field?

Perhaps, there are a lot of folks this morning wishing they had something to throw back at Mr. Holmes.


39 posted on 07/21/2012 8:44:58 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: Average Al

If just one patron had a conceal carry gun.
Indeed


40 posted on 07/21/2012 8:47:35 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: MarDav
If the the assailant is standing up at the front of the theater to begin his rampage, there would be quite a hail of “caliber salad” being tossed his way.

This is the flaw in your thinking.

He did not just stand there. He walked up the aisles shooting people.

Second, I would like to see the responsible firearm owner who is going to pull the trigger in a theater full of bright white smoke, people running everywhere and over each other, while your eyes are burning and you are coughing uncontrollably.

Would you try? Maybe.

You might try when he is on top of you.

Would you shoot as a distraction so your family/friends can get away? Perhaps.

Would a 9mm hit on body armor stun someone on a large dose of vicodin? Maybe.

Too many think of stationary targets, clear skies and no chaos going on around you.

This was designed to reduce the threat from anyone who was carrying.

Not a level playing field.

41 posted on 07/21/2012 8:53:00 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: markomalley

Go ahead you communist pukes... start another Civil War... you will not like it this time. It will be between Patriots and traitors this time.

LLS


42 posted on 07/21/2012 9:12:11 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Average Al

I’ve wondered how effective an armed movie-goer would have been.

The theater was dark. It filled with tear gas (and some other gas) before anyone know what was happening.

The attacker had bullet proof armor over most of his body. But the ccw defender wouldn’t be able to tell that in the poor lighting conditions.

Probably the best shot was through the gas mask, but would a ccw holder have been able to (a) know that and (b) see the vulnerable spot through teared eyes?

Nevertheless, an armed movie goer has a much better chance of stopping this man than an unarmed one.


43 posted on 07/21/2012 9:21:17 AM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: rktman

Where are the calls to ban movie theaters? Those people could have been watching Batman in the safety of their living rooms.


44 posted on 07/21/2012 9:24:27 AM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Travis McGee
About 20 years ago a ticked off loon set fire to an after-hours disco/bar in NYC, and killed a bunch more than any shooter. Just used a can of gasoline at the door.

So what's your point? They're already working on banning gasoline. That problems solved, too. < /lib>

45 posted on 07/21/2012 9:28:32 AM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: gitmo

Well it is easy to second guess an event we weren’t involved in. After all the other attacks I was hoping
people would be a little more heroic, yet we have to
take in to account most of the audience was probably
very young and took this as part of the movie premier
at first.


46 posted on 07/21/2012 9:38:27 AM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: urodoc

They (MSM and left) didn’t give this much attention to the Fort Hood shooting. Its what’s serves their agenda. They keep delaying that trial.


47 posted on 07/21/2012 10:13:36 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Eye of Unk
And they passed gun control in Australia.

Soros influence involved.

48 posted on 07/21/2012 10:21:22 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: gitmo
1991 was the Luby’s Restaurant massacre in Killeen, TX, where a man drove his pickup through restaurant windows and shot diners indiscriminately, killing 23 and wounding 20 others.

That night a spurned boyfriend tossed a molotov cocktail into a nightclub his girlfriend was patronizing, killing 32.

News of the shooting was everywhere, radio, TV, everywhere.

News of the molotov cocktail was a one inch mention in my local newspaper.

That, my friend is typical propaganda.

49 posted on 07/21/2012 11:58:44 AM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Travis McGee
I’ve wanted to put captions on pics for a decade. Now, I am unleashed.

What, you didn't have Photomax?

50 posted on 07/21/2012 2:09:09 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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