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To: BenLurkin
I actually listened to the council meeting on the radio while they discussed this.

The two council members against the ordinance were just afraid that long term smoking tenants in rent controlled apartments would be harassed by their landlords so as to free up the unit so that new tenants paying higher rents could move in.

So exactly none of the council members was concerned about the freedom of people to do what they want in the privacy of their own homes.

They equated smoking with keeping a house so untidy that it drew rats, or playing music so loud in your house that it could be heard outside.

They are all deathly afraid of 2nd hand smoke.

Don't even get them started on 3rd hand smoke!

3 posted on 07/11/2012 3:22:01 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Makes you wonder how many dogs will be shot because of police action resulting from such regulation.


5 posted on 07/11/2012 3:27:53 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
So exactly none of the council members was concerned about the freedom of people to do what they want in the privacy of their own homes.

If they are renters, it's not their own homes.

12 posted on 07/11/2012 4:04:22 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I grew up in a house where both parents smoked - all the while we were growing up.

Mom smoked cigarettes all her adult life. Dad went from cigarettes, to a pipe, to cigars.

Their six eldest children (out of 8) began smoking in our teens, early or late (me at sixteen). Seven of us smoked for many years as adults (I quit at age 38). Two of the eight, as adults, still smoke.

In my teens, I painted the living, dining, & kitchen rooms and hallway in our four bedroom house twice, to get the walls and ceilings back to the light beige and white that was under the tan film left by all the smoking.

OMG!!!!!! None of us (the 8 children of my forever-smoking parents) (the youngest of which is in her fifties), ever developed childhood leukemia, and none have developed lung cancer, cancer of the larynx or the pharynx, brain, bladder, rectum, stomach or breast cancer (claims of the American Cancer Society - http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/TobaccoCancer/secondhand-smoke) and none have perennial upper respiratory issues or diseases!!! No one.

If “second hand smoke” is irretrievably and absolutely due to cause cancer to anyone exposed regularly to it, how is my family’s medical history possible?

It’s not.

Full disclosure - I am not defending the idea that anyone should smoke. I do not think it is healthy, besides being a costly addictive behavior. That said, many of the “no smoking” and “no second hand smoke” laws are laws made by Nazis.

Correlation is not causation.

Cigarette smoke contains substances that in certain concentrations have been identified as causing cancer - in rats.

Second hand smoke contains some of those substances. [however many factors can effect the concentration of them in second hand smoke]

Person obtains lung cancer.

Doctor asks: Were you ever exposed to “second hand smoke”,

Person answers: Yes.

Doctor: Second hand smoke caused your cancer.

That is not proof, it is a conjecture that assumes that correlation equals causation. It doesn’t.

An entire “tox screen” would need to be taken back through the patients life up to that point(any carcinogen from any source at any time in any manner), from which afterward only a more accurate statistical possibility could be found to point to “second hand smoke”, or not), but not proof.

The greatest “carcinogen” effecting political thought today is not second hand smoke, it’s junk science.


25 posted on 07/11/2012 5:58:25 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
“Don't even get them started on 3rd hand smoke! “

A child might die from eating the nicotine off of the walls!

34 posted on 07/11/2012 8:15:53 PM PDT by dalereed
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