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To: sand88
"Yes, we called and placed an anonymous complaint "

Good for you!

You will NEVER understand that these programs are NOT setup to help the poor. They are setup to increase the power of the State and make people beholden and dependent on the State.

I think you are way too cynical. These programs were set up to help the poor, not increase the power of the state. Yes, they are sometimes abused, and some people including program directors need to go to prison for turning a blind eye to fraud. There needs to be better audits, independent audits, published of each of these programs to ensure proper controls and fraud prevention.

As I've said repeatedly, we don't need to be stupid about how we help the poor. But I do think we have an obligation to help.

People asking for help defraud churches and individuals too! Churches have had to band together to help identify and stop some of that abuse. What if they all just threw up their hands and said, we can't help because some people abuse it?

Abuse is a failure to manage the program properly, it's not an excuse to shirk duties.

93 posted on 07/12/2012 1:12:53 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
I think you are way too cynical. These programs were set up to help the poor, not increase the power of the state. Yes, they are sometimes abused, and some people including program directors need to go to prison for turning a blind eye to fraud.

I am not cynical. I just try to look at reality. I have studied the works of Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, Hayek and others. They provide reasoning and facts to show that government is good at only a very few things. Charity is not one of them. There needs to be better audits, independent audits, published of each of these programs to ensure proper controls and fraud prevention.

Again, it sounds good but you do realize that the worse aspect of these programs is not the fraud. It's the fact that it purposely ensnares and dehumanizes millions of able bodied citizens. These government programs destroy the will to work for millions, it destroys the humanity for millions, it robs hard-working Americans of the fruits of their labor. Is that not evil?

As I've said repeatedly, we don't need to be stupid about how we help the poor. But I do think we have an obligation to help.

agreed. I believe ONLY private charity is true charity. People asking for help defraud churches and individuals too! Churches have had to band together to help identify and stop some of that abuse. What if they all just threw up their hands and said, we can't help because some people abuse it?

Huh? Fraud exists in all institutions, private or public. I can guarantee that the fraud in private charities will NEVER approach the fraud of government systems.

The main point about private charities is that they would NEVER dispense help to people who don't need it. They would be very careful with the money.

95 posted on 07/12/2012 1:35:00 PM PDT by sand88
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