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Fired Florida Lifeguard's Coworkers Out After Admitting They'd Save Man Outside Zone
ABC News ^ | July 4, 2012 | ALEXIS SHAW, MATT GUTMAN, CANDACE SMITH, KATIE MOISSE

Posted on 07/04/2012 3:58:33 PM PDT by dayglored

Six Florida lifeguards have lost their jobs for backing a coworker's decision to save a man struggling in the surf but outside their jurisdiction.

Tomas Lopez , 21, was fired Monday for vacating his lifeguarding zone to save a man drowning in unprotected waters 1,500 feet south of his post on Hallandale Beach, Fla.

"I knew I broke the rules," said Lopez, who ran past the buoy marking the boundary of his patrol zone to help the man. "I told the manager, I'm fired aren't I?"

Lopez said he jumped into the water and "I double underhooked him…I was worried about the guy and his health. He was blue."

Six of Lopez's coworkers said they would have done the same thing. And now, they've been fired too.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: florida; lifeguard; moralabsolutes; zerotolerance
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To: ilovesarah2012

Take off your uniforms and go in and save him under the good Samaritan law.


51 posted on 07/04/2012 6:07:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: jeffc

Official reprimand, unofficial pat on the back and a beer after work.


52 posted on 07/04/2012 6:09:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: wagglebee; dayglored
Thanks for the ping, Wagglebee. My young son just got back from work - I posed the question to him. He says he would go beyond the boundary. I guess I'm not a total failure as a parent! :)



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53 posted on 07/04/2012 6:10:35 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: dayglored

Good for the life guards. The company is made up of cowards.


54 posted on 07/04/2012 6:11:05 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: dayglored

What do you call 1000 drowned lawyers?

A good start.

Perhaps their own policies will bring this about.


55 posted on 07/04/2012 6:11:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: 2banana

Make more sense if there was a rule not to save lawyers from drowning no matter where they are.


56 posted on 07/04/2012 6:12:32 PM PDT by Rome2000 (WILLARD ROMNEY -- MORMON MELCHIDEZEK BISHOP -HIS FAMILY HAS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE FOR GENERATIONS)
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To: Secret Agent Man; ilovesarah2012
> Take off your uniforms and go in and save him under the good Samaritan law.

Uniforms or not, they probably are still considered "on duty". That would be tantamount to quitting their jobs, I would guess.

Of course, as we all agree, that would have been the morally right thing to do.

I wonder if the fact that the guy at Alameda was pretty clearly suicidal factored into their inaction as well?

57 posted on 07/04/2012 6:13:45 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: ConorMacNessa
> My young son just got back from work - I posed the question to him. He says he would go beyond the boundary. I guess I'm not a total failure as a parent! :)

Excellent!

58 posted on 07/04/2012 6:15:56 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: redgolum
> Good for the life guards.

YES!

> The company is made up of cowards.

And (as pointed out above) lawyers.

59 posted on 07/04/2012 6:18:27 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
Naw, we are at an impasse about your first take. And what you said upon your first take. I get it....And others here probably do to.

Of course....have a great 4th of July!

60 posted on 07/04/2012 6:20:35 PM PDT by Osage Orange (8675309)
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To: Rome2000
> Make more sense if there was a rule not to save lawyers from drowning no matter where they are.

Unfortunately, that rule wouldn't hold up either, at least insofar as lawyers are human beings -- you'd have to save them regardless.

Reminds me of the old joke about the biology research lab that switched from using rats for their experiments, to lawyers. When asked why they were using lawyers instead of rats, the researcher replied, "Because there are some things that a rat just won't do."

61 posted on 07/04/2012 6:29:17 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Someday, somewhere a tort lawyer will be drowning...


62 posted on 07/04/2012 6:30:44 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: dayglored

Don’t forget the rest of that joke, specifically that investigators do not get attached to lawyers, and that there are many more lawyers than purebred lab arts.


63 posted on 07/04/2012 6:36:13 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

I also wondered if that were an option. Unless there was some provision that prohibited the hiring of a previously terminated lifeguard.


64 posted on 07/04/2012 6:39:20 PM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: GladesGuru
> Don’t forget the rest of that joke,...

ROFLMAO!! I didn't know the rest of it, but that's GREAT!!! Thanks, now I can tell it right!

65 posted on 07/04/2012 6:42:18 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Official reprimand, unofficial pat on the back and a beer after work.

It's Florida - there's won't be a pat on the back ...

66 posted on 07/04/2012 6:59:55 PM PDT by GOPJ (Way to go Kraft Foods. I now associate your brand with anal sex.(Oreo cookies) Freeper agere_contra)
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To: Kirkwood

“The company did what their lawyers told them to do.”

The same lawyers that will sue them when they fail to go outside the zone to save one of their family...live by the sword die by the sword.

If I was in position to control the contract they would never get it the second time.


67 posted on 07/04/2012 7:58:02 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: dayglored

With six lifeguards, another lifeguard could cover while the first lifeguard saved the drowning person. Imagine the news headlines and the astute CNN reporters who would have crucified the lifeguard for letting the person drown. The company that fired the lifeguards is no better than the pimps and prostitutes at MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, etc.


68 posted on 07/04/2012 8:06:43 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet
> With six lifeguards, another lifeguard could cover while the first lifeguard saved the drowning person.

I don't know (and the article doesn't say) how many lifeguards are at a given station. I assume they're distributed along some length of shoreline, one lifeguard to a station. But that's an assumption.

69 posted on 07/04/2012 9:03:20 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored; Bratch
...if someone would have drowned in his area while he was saving the other guy, I guarantee his company would have been sued.

Precisely. And therein lies the reason the lawyers required the restriction, and set up the moral dilemma for the lifeguard.

And the moral dilemma was precisely why I quit practicing law and took up software engineering nearly twenty years ago now. I began with grandiose ideas of "Truth, Justice, and the American Way," and even managed to hold on to them through law school.

I always revered the "Rule of Law" and the Constitution. But I left the practice and the bench when I found myself grieving their demise while these scum-suckers bled every "deep pocket" dry and freed so many that shouldn't soil our society, and there wasn't much left that I could do about it.

We lost this one a long time ago.

70 posted on 07/04/2012 9:48:34 PM PDT by umbagi (ABO, y'all)
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To: dayglored

Funny how you get punished for going “above and beyond” by the same type of people that exhort you to do just that, eh? It’s all liberal “liability” lawsuits that put both companies and their employees in this bureaucratic mire—it’s known as “lawfare” on some levels.


71 posted on 07/05/2012 12:12:14 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Venturer
That sounds a bit like the bunch that watched a man’s home burn down because he hadn’t paid the juice they required before putting it out.

It wasn't "Juice." This is a perfect analogy of why Obozocare/tax will die under it's own weight. With insurance you are betting that you will get sick and the company is betting you won't. The same with that fire company. The members of the community contracted as individuals to purchase the services of the fire company. Some chose not to betting that their house would never catch on fire.

The fire company hires and pays it's employees based on the number of contracts they have versus their expected expenses.

Now with Obozocare/tax, people will wait until they are terminally ill (Their house is on fire.) to pay the premium. They go 10, 15, 30 years with out paying into the system while other people do pay in and then expect to just use the services that others have been using.

72 posted on 07/05/2012 3:25:19 AM PDT by verga (Every single cult leader believes in home schooling....Think about it.)
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To: dayglored

I’m sorry but if you support the company on this, IMO you are wrong. This is nothing more than union mentality run amok.


73 posted on 07/05/2012 3:36:17 AM PDT by Spacetrucker (Sorry, folks, give my spot in the handbasket to an angry lib >:))
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To: dayglored
It is indeed a happy moment to be reminded that we still have 21 year olds who hold our basic American values of decency. God bless you Tomas Lopez!
74 posted on 07/05/2012 5:03:36 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Spacetrucker
> I’m sorry but if you support the company on this, IMO you are wrong. This is nothing more than union mentality run amok.

I don't support the company on this, but my initial statement was unclear. I don't think the company was "right" in any moral sense. I only meant that they did what they were legally required to do by their lawyers and the signed contract. As a company they are required to adhere to the contract. I should not have used the word "right" for that action.

However, the lifeguard did the morally right thing, and the other lifeguards rightly supported him. The company fired the lifeguards for doing the morally right thing, because the contract required it.

If the company wanted to be morally correct, they'd hire the lifeguards back, all of them, immediately.

But most important, that immoral contract would be thrown out immediately also. Along with the lawyer(s) who drafted and required it.

75 posted on 07/05/2012 6:24:55 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Kirkwood
“The company has to find some more lifeguards, but they too did the right thing. “

Good luck finding replacement lifeguards once the word is out about their "let 'em drown if they're one zone down" policy!

76 posted on 07/05/2012 7:06:08 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of LibertyI'm st! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: dayglored

I don’t know how it works down there, but on the beaches nearest to us on the Jersey Shore lifeguards work in pairs. The lifeguard stands are equipped with walkie-talkies. If assistance is required, coverage of each section is still there.


77 posted on 07/05/2012 7:25:41 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of LibertyI'm st! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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