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Roberts Switched Views to Uphold Health Care Law (Original CBS Report)
CBS News ^ | Sunday, Juy 1, 2012 | Jan Crawford

Posted on 07/01/2012 12:16:38 PM PDT by kristinn

Chief Justice John Roberts initially sided with the Supreme Court's four conservative justices to strike down the heart of President Obama's health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, but later changed his position and formed an alliance with liberals to uphold the bulk of the law, according to two sources with specific knowledge of the deliberations.

Roberts then withstood a month-long, desperate campaign to bring him back to his original position, the sources said. Ironically, Justice Anthony Kennedy - believed by many conservatives to be the justice most likely to defect and vote for the law - led the effort to try to bring Roberts back to the fold....

But in this closely-watched case, word of Roberts' unusual shift has spread widely within the Court, and is known among law clerks, chambers' aides and secretaries. It also has stirred the ire of the conservative justices, who believed Roberts was standing with them.

After the historic oral arguments in March, the two knowledgeable sources said, Roberts and the four conservatives were poised to strike down at least the individual mandate. There were other issues being argued - severability and the Medicaid extension - but the mandate was the ballgame.

SNIP

It is not known why Roberts changed his view on the mandate and decided to uphold the law. At least one conservative justice tried to get him to explain it, but was unsatisfied with the response, according to a source with knowledge of the conversation.

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Roberts then engaged in his own lobbying effort - trying to persuade at least Justice Kennedy to join his decision so the Court would appear more united in the case. There was a fair amount of give-and-take with Kennedy and other justices, the sources said. One justice, a source said, described it as "arm-twisting."

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


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To: Covenantor

More pics I see of Roberts the more I think you are right
Maybe that is why they had to adopt


201 posted on 07/01/2012 3:30:45 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Jedidah
He also slapped down fradulent use of the Commerce Clause,

Posters have already shown that that is not the case
202 posted on 07/01/2012 3:32:37 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: gusopol3
"The Federal Government may enact a tax on an activity that it cannot authorize, forbid, or otherwise control." --J. Roberts

The above is now established in case law, thanks to that backstabbing fool of a judge. If that seems like a good move to you, then you need to get your head out of your ass.

203 posted on 07/01/2012 3:34:13 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: uncbob
[arasina] The Jews are considered the Chosen People, yet the Holocaust occurred.

[uncbob] Tried to point that out to a poster last evening and got an unpleasant reply

I was not saying the same thing as you, however. I believe God is with us always regardless of the appearance of evil; your comment seems to suggest you disagree:

[uncbob] Where was that GOD when Hitler was tossing them in the ovens

204 posted on 07/01/2012 3:34:30 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Ken H

Thing is the GOP had been arguing all along during the bill proceedings that is was a tax


205 posted on 07/01/2012 3:35:40 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: arasina

I do


206 posted on 07/01/2012 3:36:39 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: livius
Don't know that that WAS the influence, but don't think he was bribed or threatened They should be ruled out.....There are other things at play. Just brainstorming.

Look at my post to Butterdezillion. It's the thoughts the originally popped in my head. If you have ever had to deal with a person who is unstable and had to do an intervention, it appears that Roberts called the Rats on their dysfunctional behavior....

Yes, it not up to “legal” standards, but few interventions are.....they muddy the water and often when done in relationships destroys it....Marriages end in divorce....Children get angry at parents and leave home.....muddy yes! Necessary Yes! Pray for healing and good to overcome evil.....It why AA families repeat the term “Let GO an Let GOD!”

207 posted on 07/01/2012 3:37:01 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying then or now!)
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To: Carry_Okie

I doubt you ever had your childrens’ lives put at risk. It’s not like little kids can have a say, so it is putting their lives at risk is without their consent.


208 posted on 07/01/2012 3:43:48 PM PDT by helpfulresearcher (Socialism is just like any other form of corruption, except that it is perpetrated by a mob.)
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To: kristinn

Robert`s opinion on the Commerce Clause was his and his ONLY !

The other judicial activists saw no problem with the Commerce Clause whereas the Originalists did NOT join Roberts in his opinion regarding the clause.


Commerce Clause REMAINS in full effect in width and breadth ( tough luck Krauthammer, Will and all other you pinheads looking for the silver lining)


AND

Roberts expanded the power of Govt. beyond all recognition.

USA RIP


209 posted on 07/01/2012 3:44:59 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: uncbob
I do

You do...disagree?

210 posted on 07/01/2012 3:45:31 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: kristinn

I have to post and run and I haven’t read through all the posts on this thread yet but, if he was threatened he had no need to try and “twist arms” later as the article reports he did.

He had the four liberals who went along with him.

If someone was threatening you wouldn’t you do the bear minimum?

Ex.

“Ok, Mr. Person Threatening me,

I’ll vote in favor of Obamacare with the four other liberals. It will pass but I’m too embarrassed to say or no one will believe the “commerce clause” excuse so I will make up the “it’s a tax excuse” for cover.

Fine. Done. End of story.

Months later, why would he be trying to sell it to Kennedy? When that failed, he tried to sell it to the other three conservatives. Why go the extra mile?

When paying a ransom note does the victim say:

“In addition to the ransom money, I’ve got some stocks and bonds in the safe upstairs you might be interested. Hey, take my car too.”


211 posted on 07/01/2012 3:50:21 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: kristinn

I think I read somewhere that they were digging into the kids he adopted.


212 posted on 07/01/2012 3:50:21 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: hoosiermama

The SCOTUS also ruled against the Stolen Valor Act and the Arizona case. The Stolen Valor decision made it legal for people to pretend to be war heroes with Purple Hearts etc. The only people this benefitted were those leftist slime balls who show up at protests against wars etc. pretending to be war heroes with their phony Purple Hearts. The beneficiaries of the Arizona decision were obviously Sinaloa and drug gangs.

They all point to influence by the hard left and their affiliated criminal organizations such as Sinaloa. Only 4 months ago a Supreme Court Justice (Breyer) was robbed by a machete wielding man while on vacation. That should not have happened. In 2004 Justice Souter was assaulted by a gang of thugs and beaten. That too should not have happened. Where was the security detail? The SCOTUS and their families are obviously vulnerable.

Remember Bush caved on many things shortly after his daughter was robbed while on vacation. I suspect that controlling the security means controlling everything. Please refer to this: Fast and Furious Favors http://dagnyd.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/fast-and-furious-favors-2/

Also these older articles at: http://www.dagnyd.net
Part 1 The Many Ways to Bribe Politicians
Part 2 The Dominican Connection
Part 3 The Leftist Criminal Elite’s Tropical Paradise
Part 4 The Curious Assistance of the Bush White House


213 posted on 07/01/2012 3:50:56 PM PDT by helpfulresearcher (Socialism is just like any other form of corruption, except that it is perpetrated by a mob.)
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To: kristinn

Bookmark for later


214 posted on 07/01/2012 3:51:54 PM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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To: kristinn

Bookmark for later


215 posted on 07/01/2012 3:51:54 PM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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To: Para-Ord.45
Agree 100%. Thanks to two 'conservative' justices, it is now established case law that the power of Congress to tax and regulate encompasses the following:

"The Federal Government may enact a tax on an activity that it cannot authorize, forbid, or otherwise control."

J. Roberts

________________________________________________________________

"Where necessary to make a regulation of interstate commerce effective, Congress may regulate even those intrastate activities that do not themselves substantially affect interstate commerce."

J. Scalia, concurring in Raich

216 posted on 07/01/2012 3:52:50 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: hinckley buzzard
If you can get away with calling a penalty a tax

We've called it a tax for years here, before it was enacted and since. It is to be collected by the IRS, for gosh sake. Virelli argued it was a tax. Now you agree with Obama it isn't a tax ? BTW, the Massachusetts penalty under Romneycare is specifically called a "tax penalty" :

http://www.massresources.org/health-reform.html

So a big difference between Romneycare and Obamacare is that the Romneycare penalty was called and passed as a tax, whereas Obamacare tax was "taxation with misrepresentation."

217 posted on 07/01/2012 3:54:39 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: kristinn

I think I read somewhere that they were digging into the kids he adopted.


218 posted on 07/01/2012 3:56:38 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: IbJensen
Obama, the coverup king, has had his evil regime dig up some dirt on Roberts.

Underneath Their Robes: More Grist for the "John Roberts Is Gay" Mill

219 posted on 07/01/2012 4:00:00 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Ken H

Please post the source on that or have you put quotes around some paraphrase of your own construction an attributed it to Roberts ?


220 posted on 07/01/2012 4:00:55 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: proudpapa

John Roberts in his decision:

“Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

As a Freeper put it...

It should be be gratuitous, patronizing, and entirely superfluous (but apparently it isn’t) for anyone to have to remind the Chief Justice of the United States that there are areas of the law which elections may not touch.

We don’t live in a country with Parliamentary Supremacy. The Supreme Court is supposed to guard the Constitution, a duty in which the majority failed.


221 posted on 07/01/2012 4:01:39 PM PDT by Kaosinla (The More the Plans Fail. The More the Planners Plan.)
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To: kristinn

Very few individuals have had the opportunity to stand in the breach....with such an opportunity to defend FREEDOM.

John Roberts failed miserably. Failed his country, his countrymen ,and God himself. About that paid vacation on Malta he’s off to....he ought a seriously consider not returning.


222 posted on 07/01/2012 4:01:52 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: faucetman
Some of the conservatives, such as Justice Clarence Thomas, deliberately avoid news articles on the Court when issues are pending (and avoid some publications altogether, such as The New York Times).

The other three justices - Thomas, Antonin Scalia and Samuel Alito - are seen as more solidly conservative and much less susceptible to pressure.

Clarence Thomas had already been mentioned in the article by first and last name. After that, all subsequent mentions of the same person are last name only. Since Scalia and Alito had yet to be mentioned, they got first and last name listings. From that point, all mentions of Scalia and Alito would also be last name only. There was no slight; the writer followed proper editorial etiquette.

223 posted on 07/01/2012 4:04:07 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: arasina

That picture says it all.


224 posted on 07/01/2012 4:06:07 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: kristinn; All
I've been thinking a lot about this and it occurs to me that we may yet see another unusual development, let's reacquaint ourselves with another suspicious chain of events:

1 Mar 2012 - Andrew Breitbart collapses without warning, dies at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center.

20 Apr 2012 - LA County Coroner Michael Cormier dies from arsenic poisoning on the same day the 'official' cause of death for Andrew Breitbart is made public. ('natural causes')

28 Jun 2012 - Chief Justice John Roberts shocks America with a surprise vote upholding the '0bamaCare' legislation, inexplicably switching his vote at the last minute.



Now you tell me, is another shoe about to drop?

It would not surprise me one g*ddamned bit, not from this lawless regime in Washington. Roberts served their purposes, he is now a liability due to what he knows and what he might say at some future point.

0bama and his henchmen view him as expendable now. Bet the rent.
225 posted on 07/01/2012 4:12:42 PM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne- "Politics ain't beanbag")
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To: Perdogg

After the election and swearing in


226 posted on 07/01/2012 4:13:32 PM PDT by Figment
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To: unixfox

John Roberts can rot in hell with the other 4 justices and Obama.


227 posted on 07/01/2012 4:21:57 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: unixfox

John Roberts can rot in hell with the other 4 justices and Obama.


228 posted on 07/01/2012 4:22:20 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: kristinn

bump for later fuming


229 posted on 07/01/2012 4:25:09 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (PSA. As of 7/01/12, 128/203 days 'til we vote out/take out the trash. (11/6/12, 1/20/13))
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To: butterdezillion

Saw this from u:
Like his unethical, unprecedented ex parte invitation to have Obama visit the Supreme Court - announced to the national press on the same day SCOTUS was deciding whether to hear Donofrio’s eligibility challenge.

There was no way in the world he could have made that action look worse. It was blatant. Too blatant to be an accident.

The same kind of thing happened with Judge David Carter - hiring a clerk from Perkins-Coie in the middle of a very visible eligibility case argued by Perkins-Coie, and exhibiting a 180-degree turnaround in his rulings and demeanor as soon as that clerk was on board with him. There was no way to appear more unethical than that. Again, too blatant to be an accident.

I’m trying to be careful not to suffer from confirmation bias, but I had suspected that Roberts was compromised on the eligibility stuff and that his actions (the ex parte invitation, the botched oath, and affirming Kagan and Sotomayor’s refusal to recuse themselves on cases where their very positions were at issue) were meant to be red flags, and now this Obamacare decision started out looking like a red flag but the more we hear, the more it looks to me like a flashing strobe light instead. And not just Roberts drawing attention to something fishy, but four other justices as well.

Not 2 b dumb but what do u mean?


230 posted on 07/01/2012 4:27:05 PM PDT by YankeeMagic
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To: Para-Ord.45

But the dissenters were actually more sweeping in the Commerce Clause limitations than Roberts.


231 posted on 07/01/2012 4:27:29 PM PDT by bjcoop
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To: helpfulresearcher
I doubt you ever had your childrens’ lives put at risk.

Well little do you know, nor am I going to tell you the specifics, but there were powerful people involved. I suggest you do a little research on me before replying because I am not going to go into public details.

232 posted on 07/01/2012 4:27:30 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: mkjessup
Many...MANY...more unexplained deaths are associated with Obama. Please read the LONG list in the link below:

http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2012/04/28/crossing-obama-can-be-deadly/

233 posted on 07/01/2012 4:27:54 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: bjcoop

Yes but,

minority opinion is ‘dicta’.

Irrelevant.

Robert`s opinion on Commerce was dicta

So, Wickard v. Filburn stand in total AND Roberts in NFIB v. Sebelius the Govt. unlimited powers via taxation .


234 posted on 07/01/2012 4:33:46 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

Ah yes that’s true. Sorry I misread what you said. We’re on the same page. It’s dicta too because the result would’ve still been the same if they addressed or didn’t address the Commerce Clause.


235 posted on 07/01/2012 4:35:43 PM PDT by bjcoop
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To: Army Air Corps

It’s called “The Chicago Way.”


236 posted on 07/01/2012 4:36:58 PM PDT by RWAubrey ("Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their b)
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To: arasina

You could type “i’m a homo” in big letters at the bottom of that photo, and it would look just like the one with the CH I Ps guy.


237 posted on 07/01/2012 4:42:15 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Army Air Corps

He was threatened.

___________________

I agree.

Something happened.

We wont know the truth until there is a new administration in power.


238 posted on 07/01/2012 4:49:09 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: gusopol3
Certainly. It's a direct quote from CJ Roberts opinion:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/11-393

239 posted on 07/01/2012 4:52:03 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Roberts was a stealth candidate just like O’Connor. Reagan got played by her and Bush got played by Roberts.

I'm guessing that Reagan at least probably recognized he got played by Sandra Day O'Conner, plus Reagan had both a demoRAT House & especially a demoRAT Senate to deal with in making his SCOTUS nominee selection

Dumb ass doofus, head up his ass GW Bush OTOH, had both a Repub House & Repub Senate for 6 of his 8 years, and still couldn't make a right decision 99% of the time. GW Bush was and probably still is proud of his selection of John Roberts as another sellout of American's values & freedoms. Dumb ass doofus, GW Bush, the RAT bastard gift that just keeps on giving. He & 0dumb0 are neck & neck for worst president of the U.S. as far as I'm concerned.

240 posted on 07/01/2012 4:52:28 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: rcrngroup

Remember too, that Reagan placed a great deal of weight on the opinion of ‘Mr Conservative’ himself, the late Senator Barry Goldwater, who vouched for O’Connor and assured Reagan of her solid conservative instincts. Looks like O’Connor played him too.


241 posted on 07/01/2012 4:54:50 PM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne- "Politics ain't beanbag")
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To: rawhide

>> “Someone got to him and turned him. Plain and simple.” <<

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Yes, we know that the NYT threat to spill the beans on the “questionable” adoption of his kids probably triggered the insanity, but it still indicates that he is a person of very low moral character.


242 posted on 07/01/2012 4:56:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: bjcoop

That AND the other 4 left-wing judicial activists saw no conflict between NFIB v Sebelius and the Commerce clause. Roberts`s opinion on the Commerce clause was his and his alone so it`s dicta.

End result, Wickard v. Filburn wasn`t neutered AND the Govt has new unlimited powers granted to them.

It`s the worst of both worlds. EVERYONE expected Wickard v. Filburn to be spayed and neutered AND for ObamaDeathCare to be struck down in total but the exact opposite happened.

Even the left-wing neo-marxists statists in the White House and capitol hill are stunned by this unexpected result.


243 posted on 07/01/2012 4:57:59 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Covenantor

Definitely not a picture I’d want to find myself in!


244 posted on 07/01/2012 5:00:42 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: animal172; Covenantor; Black Agnes

This is why homos were barred from national security positions.


245 posted on 07/01/2012 5:01:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DesertRhino; kristinn

Axlerod probably reintroduced him to an old gay lover, with a clear alternative.

Public humiliation, or a changed vote.

It’s the Chicago Way.


246 posted on 07/01/2012 5:03:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: gusopol3

“I’d still rather have Roberts on the Court than the two or three justices the next Presidential term would give Obama a chance to appoint, very likely including Kennedy.”

OK, but to what end? Of the 36 or so judges Romney appointed in Mass, less than 10 were Republican. Of that number, I’m not sure how many qualified as “conservative,” but I doubt it would be many. So what do we really win with a Romney victory, except the predictable defenestration of the conservative wing of the GOP?


247 posted on 07/01/2012 5:16:34 PM PDT by SquarePants
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To: kristinn

Bought off, threatened, honest change of opinion,,,we will never know. Speculation is useless and will only drive people nuts. The fact is we are forever stuck with obamacare. Republicans have been vowing to overturn Roe vs Wade for almost 40 years. It’s just talk. Never going to happen. Same with obamacare. All the conservatives in Congress and the media grabbing their junk and loudly bragging about overturning obamacare is nothing but hot air.


248 posted on 07/01/2012 5:17:33 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: treetopsandroofs
Didn’t they already do that in order to get the super-secret SECOND swearing-in by CJ Roberts a few years ago?

Then I'd say that blackmail works both ways.... Also, if Roberts did this under threat then he is still vulnerable. He might want to think about resigning once Romney is elected.

249 posted on 07/01/2012 5:20:50 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: arasina

Not the thread for this type of discussion
I should not have posted


250 posted on 07/01/2012 5:21:16 PM PDT by uncbob
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