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To: rogue yam
There is a time to realize the fight that's been fought by Conservatives in the past decades has failed to even stop liberalism, and the unconstitutional expansion of the federal government. We can't reverse a damn thing when we are constantly fighting as hard as we can to stop new problems. The government is too out of control to reverse. There is no evidence we can even stop it's progression, so you can forget about reversing it. That's just a fact.
Many of us forget we were in the same hopeless position before we ever even heard of Obama. He just stepped it up to a new level making our collapse seem imminent, instead of something happening down the road. Reversing the tyranny of Obama’s rule is just a tiny step back when you look at the whole picture. It's time to accept the truth, and start looking at individual states and elections for our future.

The federal government is collapsing soon, and that's actually the only way to get rid of the unconstitutional powers it holds now. We let it go too far, and now it must be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up. Our current government will never again be a constitutional government. I'm not saying it's a good end, but it's the only realistic outlook. I wish it was reversed back when it was still possible, but that time has long passed.

I use to read the opinions of Conservatives in the media who I respect, just to see if they could see a different outcome that was more positive; looking for anything a little brighter to hold on to, but it became obvious they saw the same bleak future as clear as me, or anyone else, could see. They don't have any idea how we are going to survive while ridding ourselves of this tyranny. They say elect Romney right now, and then they admit they have no idea what comes after that. They don't like looking that far into the future because it's depressing. We are fighting tooth and nail only to get back to the hopeless mess we were in before Obama. Our future is obvious to anyone who realistically looks at it, and who can accept the path our nation is going to take regardless of their acceptance. It is sad, but it's happening.

You don't fight a terminal illness all the way to death. There comes a time you have to realize it's pointless and cope with the truth. That's where we are now, and we need to be planning for the inevitable on a personal level, but also planning for the big picture with ideas to go own afterwords. It's coming, and hopefully the transition will go as smoothly as possible. States better be prepared for what is coming because it's not going to surprise most people. We can't change our federal government back to a constitutional government while working inside the corrupt system. It's time to ask our state leaders to demand freedom, and help elect those who will do so. It's a very minor risk when compared to the odds against our founding fathers who all put their lives on the line for what many thought was a doomed revolution. If only we could get anything similar whatsoever when it comes to character, intelligence, and bravery in a modern leader. I know things may end up even worse when it comes to our liberty, but I'm not going to pretend I'm living free now either. We are living under tyranny now, and I won't accept it just because things might get a lot worse fighting it.

It's a time for revolution. We have a constitutional right to refuse to live under tyranny. Our founding fathers made that clear. Anyone who thinks that it's untrue that we are living under tyranny should look at the situation closer. We are dealing with a tyranny that's far greater, and clear for everyone to see, than that we faced the first time around for god sake. I'm not talking about an armed revolution, but one where states just stop obeying the demands of our federal government. States should work together, bypassing the federal government, while coming up with plans to confront the federal government by refusing their unconstitutional authority. Once they do this they should not back down under any measures. All the way to letting the federal government know they can't regain power over the state without spilling blood. I don't think it would ever come to that in today's world, but the federal government has to know their is a big escalation, and consequences if it tries to take any step toward that. Draw a clear line in the sand and you won't get in an accidental situation that could end up bad for everyone. If they know the consequences they are less likely to take it there considering any order to occupy a state could easily just be ignored by any federal force.

Unfortunately their are a lot of Conservatives who will always refuse any measures outside of the current unconstitutional government, no matter how bad it gets. They can't accept the word revolution, or any talk of dissent against the government in any serious manner, based on ignorance that those ideas no longer apply. If they don't accept those ideas then they should admit they have agreed to accept tyranny. We literally have no more of a chance to reverse all the unconstitutional parts of our government from within that system, than Iraqis had in voting Saddam out of power back in those “elections” he use to get 100% in. Those who don't realize that what many, including me, thought was unthinkable not all that long ago is happening sooner than many thought, or maybe just hoped, would happen will be the same people wondering why everything fell apart around them when it does. These conservatives may have always talked about the unsustainable of the governments socialized spending, but they will still be surprised when they see what even they predicted, because it's not suppose to fall apart in their lifetime. They may say they have great respect and admiration of our founding fathers, but will dismiss many of their ideas because they see them in some fictional fantasized world instead of as the men who risked everything for freedom.

It's the same way so many Conservatives talk about our WW2 veterans being our greatest generation, and have such admiration for many of the leaders of that time, but then completely refuse supporting that type of war now based on moral issues. It's contradictory, and shows how little thought many put into forming their views. When you think about achieving total victory in a war extensively enough you realize you are glad you didn't have to make those decisions even though you know they were the right ones.

You think our founding fathers wouldn't oppose our current government? You think they would waste years trying to get things changed within a ststyem that makes it futile? The government would seem even more monstrous, and out of control to them than it does to us. Conservatives who rule out those options of revolution can't even comprehend a right given to us by our founding fathers to be used if needed.

The things that happened when our nation was being built may play out in a totally different manner, but they are just as valid today. We can accept to live in tyranny, or we can reject it. They are the ones who are left with the decision to commit violence against us, or to allow our freedom when we just refuse their demands. I don't think there is any excuses for most conservatives to stay inside what is a corrupt unconstitutional system that is obviously impossible to achieve victory within. Not for much longer anyway.

261 posted on 06/30/2012 7:10:47 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Our Military Leadership needs to remove Obama in a Coup. Their oath obliges them to do this.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Secession, was right then and is right now. Quickest way to freedom.


266 posted on 06/30/2012 7:23:10 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
It's a time for revolution. We have a constitutional right to refuse to live under tyranny. Our founding fathers made that clear.

Anyone who thinks that it's untrue that we are living under tyranny should look at the situation closer. We are dealing with a tyranny that's far greater, and clear for everyone to see, than that we faced the first time around for God's sake.

I'm not talking about an armed revolution, but one where states just stop obeying the demands of our federal government. States should work together, bypassing the federal government, while coming up with plans to confront the federal government by refusing their unconstitutional authority.

Once they do this they should not back down under any measures. All the way to letting the federal government know they can't regain power over the state without spilling blood.



285 posted on 06/30/2012 10:14:20 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
Your http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2901363/posts?page=261#261 is about the most well thought out post I've seen on the matter.

If I may, I would like to contribute to your thoughts on, "States should work together, bypassing the federal government, while coming up with plans to confront the federal government by refusing their unconstitutional authority."

Our founders in their foresight and genius created in the Constitution, a number of safeguards against a tyrannical central government seizing total control. Prominent among these safeguards is the ability of often ignored States governments to call a Constitutional Convention.

NOW is the time for just such an action, while we still have a proper majority of "Red States", to repeal the sixteenth Amendment which gives the Federal beast its great power over the individual and ultimately the States through redistribution of tax collections.

Repealing the sixteenth, as was prohibition, is the easiest and least bloody option available to us in putting the Federal beast back in its cage.

314 posted on 07/01/2012 8:47:09 AM PDT by Errant
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

bfl


383 posted on 07/02/2012 7:43:45 AM PDT by pigsmith (Gun control means a nice tight pattern.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Absolutely wonderful post.


386 posted on 07/02/2012 9:41:44 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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