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To: Windflier; Stingray
Roberts didn't say the mandate was unconstitutional. The government made two arguments to justify the mandate. Only the first one dealt with the Commerce Clause. The government's second point was even if the Commerce Clause didn't apply, the mandate was effectively an income tax. Roberts shot down their first argument but agreed with the second.

Personally, I wouldn't have went through all the legal wranglings Robert did to try and determine constitutionality. I would have taken Congress at its word. In other words, they said the mandate was a penalty and treated it as such. However, I see Roberts’ point that previous SCOTUS rulings have defined certain elements that are required for something to be, in fact, a penalty, and that criteria doesn't fit the mandate.

Can Congress encourage certain behaviors by giving income tax breaks? Apparently it can. It certainly does. Could it do the opposite, assign a higher tax rate to someone for not doing something it wants? I'm trying to think of an instance like that, but I'm drawing a blank. Nevertheless, there's a very small distinction in my opinion between giving out tax breaks based on behavior and assigning tax increases for same.

That blasted 16th Amendment was written so poorly it pretty much allows the federal government to do whatever it wants with our incomes. I think we need some constitutional amendments to reign in the madness.

197 posted on 06/29/2012 4:04:56 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA
Can Congress encourage certain behaviors by giving income tax breaks? Apparently it can. It certainly does. Could it do the opposite, assign a higher tax rate to someone for not doing something it wants? I'm trying to think of an instance like that, but I'm drawing a blank. Nevertheless, there's a very small distinction in my opinion between giving out tax breaks based on behavior and assigning tax increases for same.

In this case "behavior" is being born. No one is excluded from these laws. Tax credits are meant to alter behavior, but they don't apply to everyone unless they choose to engage in that behavior. I don't have to buy an energy saving furnace.

219 posted on 06/29/2012 6:20:53 AM PDT by kabar
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