[RetiredArmy]

Actually, the way I understand it is, even if I have insurance, I could come up with something that the government guru's who will decide if I get treatment or not could say NO, no treatment, let him die. That is going to happen to old folks with problems that the government death panels will decide that you can just die. All you have to do is look at England. You get injured, need surgery. Oh, sorry, we have no funds to fix your torn up knee. Maybe next year or the year after. Here, have a set of crutches.

[SCalGal]

Actually, the way I understand it is, even if I have insurance, I could come up with something that the government guru's who will decide if I get treatment or not could say NO, no treatment, let him die. That is going to happen to old folks with problems that the government death panels will decide that you can just die. All you have to do is look at England. You get injured, need surgery. Oh, sorry, we have no funds to fix your torn up knee. Maybe next year or the year after. Here, have a set of crutches.

Yes, and if there's a good way to fix you up permanently and a cheap way to keep you productive for a little while, you're getting the cheap way.

Who wants to pay for that? I have band-aides at home.