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ATF leaderís email could be Fast and Furious smoking gun and Holder admitted Obama canít shield it
Daily Caller ^ | 06/25/2012 | Matthew Boyle

Posted on 06/26/2012 6:14:06 AM PDT by Qbert

A single internal Department of Justice email could be the smoking-gun document in the Operation Fast and Furious scandal — if it turns out to contain what congressional investigators have said it does.

The document would establish that wiretap application documents show senior DOJ officials knew about and approved the gunwalking tactic in Fast and Furious. This is the opposite of what Attorney General Eric Holder and House oversight committee ranking Democratic member Rep. Elijah Cummings have claimed.

It appears that email would also prove senior DOJ officials, likely including Holder himself, knew in March 2011 that a Feb. 4, 2011 letter from the DOJ to Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley falsely denied guns were permitted to “walk” into Mexico. The DOJ allowed that false letter to stand for nine more months, only withdrawing it in December 2011.

During the June 24 broadcast of Fox News Sunday, House oversight committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa cited the email as a “good example” of a specific document his committee knows Holder is hiding from Congress.

“The ATF director, Kenneth Melson, sent an e-mail. And he had said to us in sworn testimony that, in fact, he had concerns,” Issa said. “And we want to see that e-mail because that’s an example where he was saying, if we believe his sworn testimony, that guns walked. And he said it shortly after February 4, and [on] July 4. When he told us that, we began asking for that document.”

But the details of it surfaced first when Grassley mentioned it for the first time publicly during a June 12 Senate Judiciary Committee hearing where Holder was testifying.

“He [Melson] immediately sent an email warning others, ‘back off the letter to Sen. Grassley in light of the information in the affidavits,’” Grassley explained.

Ken Melson, now the former acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, purportedly sent that email to several DOJ leaders in March 2011. According to Grassley, Melson wrote that he had reviewed the wiretap applications — the same documents Cummings and Holder claim do not show senior DOJ officials knew of or approved gunwalking tactics in Fast and Furious.

“ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson described reading those same wiretap affidavits in March of last year,” Grassley told Holder during the Senate hearing. “He said he was alarmed that the information in the affidavits contradicted the public denial to Congress.”

It appears Republican congressional investigators first learned of the Melson email’s existence on July 4, 2011, when Melson chose to give a lengthy deposition on Fast and Furious without DOJ and ATF lawyers present. Grassley told Holder during the Senate hearing that congressional investigators first requested that the DOJ provide Congress with that email during July 2011, shortly after Melson made his then-secret trip across town to Capitol Hill.

The wiretap documents themselves are under federal court seal, leaving Grassley and Issa to tussle with Holder and Cumming about what they might show. Issa has said a whistleblower provided copies to his committee.

Holder has declined to ask the federal judge who sealed them to unseal them. The March 2011 Melson email, then, may be the only legal way — without violating a court order — to document the agreement of some senior Obama administration members with Issa’s and Grassley’s characterizations of the documents.

Melson’s email could also prove that although senior DOJ officials knew in March 2011 that the Feb. 4, 2011 letter was false, they chose to continue misleading Congress with gunwalking denials for several months.

“We need to see it [the email] to corroborate his testimony,” Grassley said during the June 12 hearing. “But the Department is withholding that email along with every other document after Feb. 4, 2011.”

Grassley pressed Holder on the question of how DOJ had the authority to withhold Melson’s email from Congress, a full week before President Obama indicated that he would invoke executive privilege to shield requested documents. At that time, Holder claimed the Melson email would not be protected by executive privilege.

“On what legal ground are you withholding that email?” He asked. “The president can’t claim executive privilege to withhold that email, is that correct?”

“Well, let me just say this: We have reached out to Chairman Issa to work our way through these issues,” Holder filibustered. “We have had sporadic contacts and we are prepared to make – I am prepared to make – compromises with regard to the documents that can be made available. There is a basis for withholding these documents if they deal with the deliberative …”

“But not on executive privilege?” Grassley interrupted.

“No,” Holder responded.

Holder spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler wouldn’t answer when The Daily Caller asked her if the DOJ was planning to provide the Melson email to Congress.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 06/26/2012 6:14:28 AM PDT by Qbert
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2 posted on 06/26/2012 6:33:12 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Qbert

issa slams soetoro!.....
http://www.govexec.com/oversight/2012/06/issa-letter-hammers-obama-fast-and-furious-gun-operation/56460/?oref=dropdown


3 posted on 06/26/2012 6:34:07 AM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Qbert
What a bunch of lieing, arrogant, criminally minded people make up the Obama administration, and particularly Eric Holder. You can see it in his face that he knows excatly what he is doing and almost finds it humorous that he is in a position where he can still, "get it over on the man."

I pray the full truth comes out and that he and his boss are sent to the Grey Rock Hotel and that the self-serving smirk is wiped from his face as he is held accountable for the death and misery he has caused.


MURDERGATE: ERIC HOLDER AND FAST AND FURIOUS

4 posted on 06/26/2012 6:41:28 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Qbert

“According to Grassley, Melson wrote that he had reviewed the wiretap applications — the same documents Cummings and Holder claim do not show senior DOJ officials knew of or approved gunwalking tactics in Fast and Furious.”

Here’s a key point that needs to be brought up. Just the fact that they were applying for wiretaps in this investigation shows that the upper levels of the DOJ were informed of the investigation:

“At the federal level, the application must be approved by the Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General, Associate Attorney General, any Assistant Attorney General, any acting Assistant Attorney General, or any Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Criminal Division designated by the Attorney General.”

http://www.spybusters.com/government_taps.html

Get it? Federal wiretaps all go through the DOJ Criminal Division, and can only be approved by Holder’s appointees in that division.

“In addition to leading the Fast and Furious OCDETF task force, the U.S. Attorney’s Office was instrumental in preparing the wiretap applications that were submitted to the Justice Department’s Criminal Division. Federal prosecutors in Arizona filed at least six of these applications, each containing immense detail about operational tactics and specific information about straw purchasers, in federal court after Department headquarters authorized them.”

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/6-19-12-Fast-and-Furious-Contempt-Report.pdf

Those wiretap applications detailed the operation and were approved by DOJ headquarters! That’s a smoking gun right there.


5 posted on 06/26/2012 6:43:54 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Qbert

Folks can argue the point if they want to, but, I still say this could be Obama’s, and Holder’s, Watergate. This makes Watergate look like play time at kindergarten. No one died in Watergate.


6 posted on 06/26/2012 6:46:14 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: STARWISE; bcsco; MestaMachine; Nachum; thouworm

So...It’s a matter of releasing the documents that the committee already has or knows the content. Again Holder is between a BaROCK and congress......


7 posted on 06/26/2012 6:49:40 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa; All
Folks can argue the point if they want to, but, I still say this could be Obama’s, and Holder’s, Watergate. This makes Watergate look like play time at kindergarten. No one died in Watergate.

THE BIG QUESTION IS: Will the Pubbies, in the House of Represetatives, have the tenacity, and the 'nads, to ride this horse to the finish line?
8 posted on 06/26/2012 6:50:20 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: Qbert; All
Has anyone bothered to bring up the fact, to all the Mexicans in America (legally and illegally) that their buddies, Holder and Obama, whom they voted for and who claims to love the Mexican people so much, sent arms to Mexico that killed 300 innocent Mexican people?
9 posted on 06/26/2012 6:55:04 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

Eric Holder will not spend a day in jail. It would be better to go after the agents who took part and give immunity to those that had a problem with it. Gun shop owners? There was $$$ in it for them but most of them know that the RATS want to put them out of business. When the Lieutenants pay the price(think Whitewater) for their bosses actions they will think twice before blindly following as yes men.


10 posted on 06/26/2012 6:59:39 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Nixon’s attorney general, John Mitchell, served 19 months in prison...


11 posted on 06/26/2012 7:06:32 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: pistolpackinpapa
Folks can argue the point if they want to, but, I still say this could be Obama’s, and Holder’s, Watergate. This makes Watergate look like play time at kindergarten. No one died in Watergate.

Without the MSM reporting on it Night after night after night like Wategate it ain't gonna happen
12 posted on 06/26/2012 7:07:26 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Qbert
Nothing will come of this. The election is in November. If Zero is ousted, this will all get swept under the rug and the main characters will be changed out.

If Zero IS re-elected, the balance of power in Congress will likely shift as well. Doubtful that current investigations will survive a change in committee make up.

As an aside, is anyone else annoyed at all the double letters in the word "committee"?

13 posted on 06/26/2012 7:20:46 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
THE BIG QUESTION IS: Will the Pubbies, in the House of Represetatives, have the tenacity, and the 'nads, to ride this horse to the finish line?

NO!

The House vote may or may not come on Thursday to hold Holder in contempt. But either way, Boner will strike a deal and this whole thing will go down the memory hole along with Craig Livingstone, the Foster "suicide", Able Danger, ChiCom campaign contributions.....the list goes ever on.
14 posted on 06/26/2012 7:24:30 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms for the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Top cop-out... that’s good.


15 posted on 06/26/2012 7:24:39 AM PDT by GOPJ (The 'doting court eunuchs' of the MSM fail to notice...)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
It SHOULD be Zero's "Watergate". As noted, the severity is an order of magnitude higher in Zero's crimes than anything Nixon contemplated. Nixon also wasn't trying to deliberately subvert our Bill of Rights either.

Enforcement of such falls down into the by now classic dichotomy of "conservative" vs "socialist". I refuse to call them "liberals" any more as it disparagingly twists the "liber-" root to mean something it was never meant for.

Anything, no matter how criminal or insane, that furthers the socialists goals is good. Anything that thwarts these goals is bad and must be destroyed at any cost. This is their template.

With that last paragraph in mind, watch your local news some time. It's downright chilling.

16 posted on 06/26/2012 7:26:26 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Qbert
..senior DOJ officials knew about and approved the gunwalking tactic in Fast and Furious. This is the opposite of what Attorney General Eric Holder and House oversight committee ranking Democratic member Rep. Elijah Cummings have claimed.

I guess that makes them LIARS, don't it? Every time I watch that pudge-faced ninny, Elijah Cummings spout off about the forthrightness and innocence of Eric Holder, I can visualize their roasting buttocks in the 3rd level of Hell; that special playground for recalcitrant LIARS.

17 posted on 06/26/2012 7:28:17 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: hoosiermama; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

It is my fervent hope that holder and obama have dug themselves a hole so deep they never see daylight again!


18 posted on 06/26/2012 7:30:25 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

MURDERGATE:

"Gun control under the radar."

The trail is getting hotter...and closer...

19 posted on 06/26/2012 7:39:21 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
THE BIG QUESTION IS: Will the Pubbies, in the House of Represetatives, have the tenacity, and the 'nads, to ride this horse to the finish line?

In a Word: Nope.

In two: No way.

In three: Aint gonna happen.

In Four: Not on a bet.

20 posted on 06/26/2012 7:45:03 AM PDT by verga (Every single cult leader believes in home schooling....Think about it.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I hope fully grasp the needlessness of your aside.


21 posted on 06/26/2012 8:03:07 AM PDT by WSGilcrest (/s)
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To: Travis McGee; verga

GOPee doesn’t have the nerve to run on “HOPE and CHAINS” this year. Grassroots not Grassley will get the word out!


22 posted on 06/26/2012 8:04:47 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
THE BIG QUESTION IS: Will the Pubbies, in the House of Represetatives, have the tenacity, and the 'nads, to ride this horse to the finish line?

Probably not. Bonehead will cry his way out of Thursday and back off. His only excuse is Holder transferred a roll of toilet paper. Wound in it was a sticky note, get screwed. Bonehead would go crying all the way to the sand box.

23 posted on 06/26/2012 8:08:48 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: WSGilcrest

Living adjacent to the Mississippi river, you’d think it wouldn’t bother me so much.


24 posted on 06/26/2012 8:11:05 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Qbert
What this could be...

A national-level scheme to intentionally release high-power weapons into the hands of known criminals in the hope that those weapons would be used to commit crimes (to create a political argument against the Second Amendment) and create chaos in Mexico, with the full knowledge and expectation that some of those crimes would include murder.

Accessory to hundreds of crimes...
Impeachable offenses...
International crimes against humanity...?

25 posted on 06/26/2012 8:15:55 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Travis McGee

“MASS MURDERGATE” is more accurate.


26 posted on 06/26/2012 8:19:55 AM PDT by Starstruck
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To: uncbob

The difference between then and now......INTERNET.

MsM pound sand.


27 posted on 06/26/2012 8:25:04 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
Has anyone bothered to bring up the fact, to all the Mexicans in America (legally and illegally) that their buddies, Holder and Obama, whom they voted for and who claims to love the Mexican people so much, sent arms to Mexico that killed 300 innocent Mexican people?

Exactly. I would say it is disingenuous on a massive scale to claim they want to protect Mexican illegals while not giving a flying rip that 300, and probably many more, Mexican citizens were murdered in cold blood as a result of this administration's policies, agenda and deceit. Romney needs to jump on this paradox with both feet. All Obama and his cutthroats want is raw political power and they don't care who dies or is destroyed in their attempt to get it.

28 posted on 06/26/2012 8:26:24 AM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
No one died in Watergate.

It's Watergate with body bags..

29 posted on 06/26/2012 8:36:41 AM PDT by IamConservative (Well done is better than well said. - Ben Franklin)
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To: pistolpackinpapa; Travis McGee; All

To Travis, I have been calling it Murdergate since first learning of the early details through the Sipsey Street guys. It is far more apropos than the goofy title of a rotten movie.

Papa, I really think the only hand they have to play now is a total takeover of the country. I have been concerned for some time this administration would pull off something to create a crisis so large to declare Martial Law and invalidate any and all elections until the “crisis” has been resolved.

Then all of a sudden on the same day that the SCOTUS punted, again, and the administration decided to rescind 287(g) to only Arizona followed by the tattle tale hotline at Justice, it is clear they care nothing about the election.

If they care nothing about the elections, what is the only logical move these people make when the rule of law does not apply to them? Consider also that Jimmie Carter was lambasting the Obama Administration on human rights issues.

I say the election goes as scheduled and if they lose, Jimmie will find something wrong with the elections and have the UN invalidate them (for what it is actually worth) and then the coup ensues using the UN as the controlling mindset.

(tin foil hat removed with hopefully no serious erroneous word-smithing)


30 posted on 06/26/2012 10:12:22 AM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: Thommas
..senior DOJ officials knew about and approved the gunwalking tactic in Fast and Furious. This is the opposite of what Attorney General Eric Holder and House oversight committee ranking Democratic member Rep. Elijah Cummings have claimed.

How would Elijah Cummings know what is going on at DOJ and why would he know it, unless the coverup is far more reaching than any of us know!!!
31 posted on 06/26/2012 10:43:05 AM PDT by Foolsgold (L I B Lacking in Brains)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

“Has anyone bothered to bring up the fact, to all the Mexicans in America (legally and illegally) that their buddies, Holder and Obama, whom they voted for and who claims to love the Mexican people so much, sent arms to Mexico that killed 300 innocent Mexican people?”

Not to my knowledge. Hopefully the majority of talk radio and conservative press will pick up on your post and run with it. You may well have changed the way Romney woos the ‘hispanic’ vote - far more effective and it’s not pandering!


32 posted on 06/26/2012 11:01:20 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (The GOPe has played us like a violin for the last time; high time to build the Constitution Party.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Not to mention the Mississippi bookkeepping addressee with the sweettooth.


33 posted on 06/26/2012 11:19:28 AM PDT by pghoilman (Earth First. We'll drill the rest of the galaxy later.)
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To: Qbert

Issa’s committee likely already has a back door copy of the memo.


34 posted on 06/26/2012 11:27:07 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: Qbert

My biggest concern is that Holder’s strategy is to stonewall this until January 2013 when Obama and Co walk dutifully out of the White House for the final time on official duty.

Since we as a culture have made, for better or for worse, investigations of past administrations off-limits.


35 posted on 06/26/2012 11:37:29 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Dead Corpse
Be thankful you don't live in the town of:

Llanfairpwllgwyngyyllgogerychwyrndrrobwyllllantysiliogogogoch

36 posted on 06/26/2012 12:04:15 PM PDT by JPG (Don't just talk about it, make it happen.)
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To: JPG
The rest of the Welsh town is:

iogogogoch

37 posted on 06/26/2012 12:09:04 PM PDT by JPG (Don't just talk about it, make it happen.)
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To: pghoilman
As long as he isn't tittle-tattling on the whereabouts of his ovoviviparous pets...

Whippersnappers with their knickknacks kinda bug me too...

38 posted on 06/26/2012 12:14:24 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: JPG
Yeah... Long and weird is fine. It's the repetition of letters concurrent in a word that seems... Redundant.

Yes, a man with the screen name "dead corpse" is expositing on redundancy. It's a weird world...

39 posted on 06/26/2012 12:17:17 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Dead Corpse

I once spoke to my bookkeeper about the needlessness of repetitive letters. She did not understand.


40 posted on 06/26/2012 12:36:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
That's a nonannouncement. Now excuse me while I dine on humuhumumukunukuapua’a for it's supplemental Hexahydroxycyclohexane.

I hear it's good for you...

41 posted on 06/26/2012 12:44:53 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Travis McGee

42 posted on 06/26/2012 12:55:13 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: MichaelCorleone

Ref. your Post #32: Guess I need to figure out how to get that piece of info to Rush, Sean or the Romney Campaign.


43 posted on 06/26/2012 2:43:48 PM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: Dead Corpse
...is anyone else annoyed at all the double letters in the word "committee"?

Hey, double letters; double cross; double talk; double standards; double trouble; double jeopardy...

How could the possible implications go any further wrong?

44 posted on 06/26/2012 2:47:47 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GOPe 2012: MITT HAPPENS)
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To: RatRipper
I would say it is disingenuous on a massive scale to claim they want to protect Mexican illegals while not giving a flying rip that 300, and probably many more, Mexican citizens were murdered in cold blood as a result of this administration's policies, agenda and deceit. Romney needs to jump on this paradox with both feet.

So, how do we get the word to the Romney Campaign?
45 posted on 06/26/2012 2:48:11 PM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

I don’t have a clue. I am not connected. I am hoping some of his minions monitor this site or that a FreeRepublic member who is connected picks up on it. It is hard to believe that some of his campaign brains have not already thought of this.


46 posted on 06/26/2012 3:07:36 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Because comity is a different word with a different meaning entirely.

I like your handle. Once I got used to it. [smiles]


47 posted on 06/26/2012 3:08:12 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: RatRipper

I’m going to suggest to the Romney Campaign that they hire you and me. I’m sure they will, so, start thinking about the amount of salary we should demand from the Romney Campaign for our services.


48 posted on 06/26/2012 3:14:01 PM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: Dead Corpse

Nothing will come of this. The election is in November. If Zero is ousted, this will all get swept under the rug and the main characters will be changed out.

If Zero IS re-elected, the balance of power in Congress will likely shift as well. Doubtful that current investigations will survive a change in committee make up.


Yup. King obama invoking ep was a brilliant move. We can wail and scream, Issa can beat his head against a wall, but the investigation is over and obama and Holder walk away clean. And does anyone believe that email hasn’t “inadvertently” been destroyed or lost by now?


49 posted on 06/26/2012 4:19:22 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Qbert

I’d like to see a subpoena sent to Sarah Brady.


50 posted on 06/26/2012 4:34:42 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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