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Dear Arizona; Has SCOTUS made secession your only option
Monday, June 25, 2012 | Bob Ireland

Posted on 06/25/2012 12:13:28 PM PDT by Bob Ireland

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To: FlingWingFlyer

It’s actually not the SCOTUS that is the problem here,
but the 0bama administration’s refusal to cooperate with the part of the law they upheld.


21 posted on 06/25/2012 12:48:03 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: arrogantsob
***You are advocating a revolution against a government which is of our own making and within which we have representation.***

Your position appears indefensible on both counts... but 'perilous times' for sure.

22 posted on 06/25/2012 12:49:04 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

The part of the law that actually mattered to me, making TPD actually give a crap about illegals, stood. The rest was window dressing.


23 posted on 06/25/2012 12:50:12 PM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: MrB
There is no contract here. Arizona was CREATED by the federal government and governed under federal regulations and laws as a Territory for decades. It did not join the Union until 1914.

Only the original 13 would have any claim of preexistence outside the Union. And not even all of them had Constitutions in place prior to the Revolution.

24 posted on 06/25/2012 12:51:59 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: arrogantsob
***... attempted to have their concerns addressed for decades before Lexington***

FR has at least one decade! E.g. impeachment: 1998...

25 posted on 06/25/2012 12:52:15 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

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26 posted on 06/25/2012 12:56:15 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: discostu
***The rest was window dressing***

SCOTUS rulings become much more invasive over all law than you seem to realize. Do not look at this ruling as only applying to Arizona immigration problems. Antonin Sclaia has properly noted that this ruling eliminates 'State Sovereignty'.

27 posted on 06/25/2012 12:56:37 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

Who do you think made this government? Aliens? It has grown into what it is because that is what the majority wanted. Our problem is not so much who is in it but that it reflects what the People have wanted. Without a massive change in how people think (mainly women actually) there will be no significant change.

Just because you do not like the representation or agree with it does not change the fact that we have it.


28 posted on 06/25/2012 12:56:37 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: Bob Ireland
I firmly believe that some event or series of events will compel the several states to lead the effort to dissolve the tyrannical Federal government and reconstitute a Constitutional Republic.

As bad as things seem we are no where near that point. The Statists of both parties will try to play us for as long as possible -- stealing our wealth and our Liberties.

The second reason it will not happen soon is that there a no elected leaders on the national scene that have the true love of Liberty to spearhead such a movement.

Sadly, I think we have many years, if not a decade or more of this growing tyranny before real change happens.

29 posted on 06/25/2012 12:57:56 PM PDT by sand88
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To: arrogantsob
***Just because you do not like the representation or agree with it***

Executive fiat is not representation. The Caesars succeeded in eliminating the Roman Republic Senate in the same manner you prescribe... all by popular fiats.

30 posted on 06/25/2012 1:00:32 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

It was the rest of the law I was describing as window dressing not the ruling. As for Scalia he’s about 35 years behind the curve. 55 MPH speed limit was the end of state sovereignty.


31 posted on 06/25/2012 1:00:41 PM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: Bob Ireland

Didn’t a bunch of Southern States attempt the succession thing back in the 1860s? I think they called it The War Between the States or The Great Civil War.

This decision today is why it is imperative that the next SCOTUS appointee be a Conservative.


32 posted on 06/25/2012 1:00:53 PM PDT by vortigern
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That is fine and most of our activity has been directed at stymieing the Democrats/media not an unresponsive Royal government. This is a totally different situation and much more difficult to organize effective opposition. When Bush was in office the same kind of sentiments ("I'm moving to Canada, if Bush is re-elected" etc.) were expressed by the Left.
33 posted on 06/25/2012 1:01:12 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: discostu

I can see you need to hyperventilate more to be at home on this thread.


34 posted on 06/25/2012 1:02:25 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: arrogantsob

LOL. Yeah I get that problem a lot.


35 posted on 06/25/2012 1:03:52 PM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: Bob Ireland

The primary purpose of our current media-gov’t-academia complex is to elect a new people, i.e. eradicate White Christians from the U.S. body politic. They would respond to serious secession efforts with genocidal fury.


36 posted on 06/25/2012 1:05:07 PM PDT by kreitzer
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To: Bob Ireland

Aren’t we speaking of a Judicial finding here? Executive fiat in this Republic only applies to controls over the executive branch responsibilities.

Caesar eliminated the Republic by refusing to lay down the control over his ARMY which he brought back into Italy from Gaul. He and his successors ruled THROUGH the Senate no by executive fiat in any case. They never eliminated the Senate just its power.

Where did I “prescribe” anything? I only described.


37 posted on 06/25/2012 1:07:27 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: arrogantsob
Secession is not a legal option.

Well, that is an opinion based on the result of a war.

As Ben Franklin said "Force sh*tes upon Reason's back."

Whatever eloquent argument one might make for the legality, constitutionality, etc., of a particular act, it really boils down to who has the ability to use force to enforce their desire.

Heck of a way to run things, but there you go.

38 posted on 06/25/2012 1:08:26 PM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: vortigern

“This decision today is why it is imperative that the next SCOTUS appointee be a Conservative.”

BINGO!!


39 posted on 06/25/2012 1:09:06 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: B Knotts

My belief is based upon the thoughts of the Founders and the meaning of a “constitution” not the result of that little dust-up of 1861-5.


40 posted on 06/25/2012 1:11:38 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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