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1 posted on 06/20/2012 5:53:35 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Tell me something about this pre condition BS. If it’s mandatory that the insurer cover your condition, is it mandatory that he charges you the same rates as a person without pre conditions?

Consider this: the insurer charges the pre condition client 100 times the rate of regular clients. Is that the intent?


2 posted on 06/20/2012 6:07:24 PM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: Kaslin

Tell me something about this pre condition BS. If it’s mandatory that the insurer cover your condition, is it mandatory that he charges you the same rates as a person without pre conditions?

Consider this: the insurer charges the pre condition client 100 times the rate of regular clients. Is that the intent?


3 posted on 06/20/2012 6:07:24 PM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: Kaslin

I might be wrong here but I seem to recall an ‘under the radar’ news story a little while back about the largest three (maybe 4?) health insurance providers having been successful in negotiating waivers or Grandfathered terms, or similar, that provided them an out for this requirement of Obamacare. If so, and if those insurers collectively insure upward of 60% of Americans (with coverage), then this debate is is a fruitless exercise.

OSI research for a substantiating link has not yielded anything worth posting.


4 posted on 06/20/2012 6:28:51 PM PDT by softengine (Betrayal and Hypocrisy play on both sides of the fence.......but no one will admit it.)
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To: Kaslin

Not all pre-existing are the same:
1. Genetic/nature
2. Nurture, lifestyle while a chld.
3. Nurture, lifestyle choices while an adult.
4. Results of negligence, crimiality of others
5. Results of true accidents
6. Results of heroism; sacrificed yourself to help others.
Insurance companies should be required to cover some with no surcharge.

But for adult lifestyle choices insurance companies and health providers should be allowed to charge as much as they can without restraint ... other than competition.

From drugs and alcohol to sexual promiscuity to gluttony and sky diving and football, most pre-existing cases and most medical costs are from life style choices.


5 posted on 06/20/2012 6:39:20 PM PDT by spintreebob
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"In 45 states across the country, insurance companies can discriminate against people based on their pre-existing conditions when they try to purchase health insurance directly from insurance companies in the individual insurance market."

The flip side of that statement is: In 5 states across the country, insurance companies can not discriminate against people based on their pre-existing conditions when they try to purchase health insurance directly from insurance companies in the individual insurance market.

In my state, "An individual applicant without prior coverage may have to wait for up to one year for coverage of a pre-existing condition." But after that, they are covered.

6 posted on 06/20/2012 6:40:55 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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As a Type I diabetic, I can buy a vial of R Insulin for $25 at Wal-mart - a months worth. The needles cost $16 and last 3 months.

It’s actually how I’m stock piling. For other diabetics, friouk.com is a good place to buy a cold pack that stays cold forever.


9 posted on 06/20/2012 6:58:05 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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I’ve been trying to get my Auto Insurance carrier to cover my pre existing automobile accidents. I haven’t had any luck so far.


10 posted on 06/20/2012 6:58:13 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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definition: Insurance is a form of risk management primarily used to hedge against the risk of a contingent, uncertain loss...........key point uncertain

....With a known pre-existing condition, ie a known loss, being covered-—it cannot then be called Insurance.

It then fits the defintion of either welfare, or wealth redistribution


14 posted on 06/20/2012 7:29:11 PM PDT by sbark
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Imagine you didn't have car insurance but could under some government mandate get it anytime. You don't bother to buy car insurance but when the Weather Service issues a warning that a hurricane is headed to your location so on your way to a shelter you quick buy a car insurance policy to cover your inevitable losses. Hundred of people in your location do the same. How long do you think car insurance companies would last under that scenario?

Insurance is all about risk pooling and works only because more premiums are being collected than losses being paid. If you allow large numbers of people to get insurance who are such bad risks that they will almost immediately have expensive claims without having paid any premium, the result is that rest of the risk pool will have to pay more to cover the costs of those who are making claims without having paid much in premiums. Imagine a life insurance company being forced to write large policies on people who are terminally ill with only a short time to live. That would work either.

16 posted on 06/20/2012 7:34:54 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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For about the last 20 years, anybody who had employer insurance, COBRAed it, and used up all the COBRA has had to be offered insurance without a pre-existing condition exclusion, it’s federal law. There’s some timing hoops to jump through, and you pay for it, but you can get it. I took advantage of it in ‘97. So, the solution’s already there, it’s just little advertised because the politicians are getting more mileage out of touting a false “crisis”.


20 posted on 06/20/2012 8:22:22 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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"We've got to make sure no American gets turned back for pre-existing conditions," Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., said recently.

GGGrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Another dishonest republican I would never vote for.
He can do anything he wants, but at least be honest. Stop calling it insurance.

Promote and sell (more) welfare on its merits.
How many parasites can the working citizens support?

24 posted on 06/20/2012 9:14:36 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Kaslin

bfl


25 posted on 06/20/2012 10:06:20 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!!)
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To: Kaslin

I have always had insurance thru work. BCBS. There has never been an issue with preexisting conditions, no waiting with a group policy here in PA.
May be different for individual but I’d venture to guess that the overwhelming majority of folks have group coverage thru work.


28 posted on 06/20/2012 10:33:54 PM PDT by Eagles6
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