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To: arrogantsob
You ignore completely the reason the amendment was written and the fact that it had nothing to do with personal security.

And you ignore completely that in the linked article I am referencing, for the most part, the State's own Constitution.

Mentally ill people are rightfully still excluded as are felons.

Both of those positions I disagree on; a felon having served his sentence should have full rights and privileges restored; to do otherwise is to create a second class of citizen.
As for the 'mentally ill', I do not think that is a good idea because, just as soviet Russia showed us, political dissidents are obviously mentally ill, otherwise they would not dissent.

As to your constitutional analysis I don’t have to read any further than your proposal to allow guns in court to know it is nuts.

So then it's a-ok to force people who have committed no crime to appear in a court, disarmed, all while denying any obligation to provide for their safety?
That is an idiotic position for anyone to take.

Such a situation literally begs for abuse of jurors by the threats of the court should they "get uppity" and try to use the right of nullification on a case that the state deems *must* be a crime. Imagine, if you will the jury of say George Zimmerman, being bullied into finding him guilty of *something*... not that I think our courts are quite that corrupt yet, but such is not unthinkable any longer.

And, you misstate the situation wrt Obamacare. It was NEVER a popular idea and was rammed through without knowing what was in it. Totally different than what happened in Mass. sophistry aside.

So? It passed the legislature and was signed into law by the executive. That in itself is enough, no?
Unless, of course, the Constitution not delegating such power to the federal government is in essence the same as prohibiting it. (10th Amd.)
(That is to say, the popularity of something is completely separate/independent from the lawfulness of that thing.)

217 posted on 06/25/2012 11:13:35 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Idealism is nice and all and to be encouraged but it has to come up against fact from time to time.

Crime is pretty much a professional affair in this country and the vast majority of it is committed by the same people, people who should not have legal guns. Should an ordinary non-criminal commit a felony there are provisions, as some one who studies constitutions knows, to obtain pardons and restoration of rights denied. But most of these mopes are just as well excluded from gun ownership and from voting (btw virtually every one of those votes would be a vote for the Left).

If you don’t want to be a second class citizen don’t commit crimes. And don’t even THINK that our Founders share your libertarian view of this. Not even Jefferson came close.

Perhaps part of your inability to adjudge realities is the erroneous conclusion that this country is like the USSR. I know of one person who claimed to be declared mentally ill for political reasons, maybe, Wilhelm Reich. It is not happening and won’t IF Obama is denied a second term. If he slithers back in the all bets are off.

YES, it is a-ok to deny access to courts by armed people. Bystanders are in no danger from the court or its deputies unless they are raving A-holes. Those complaining about such policies are more in danger from themselves than from armed deputies. Once again Realities come up against idealism. Let’s see ANY jury convict gangbangers when 60 heavily armed Latin Kings shows up at the trial of a member.

There is no danger of jury members from any court personnel but there is GIGANTIC danger from an armed audience there to interfere with justice being served. What world are you living in when it is clear that the jury trying Zimmerman (if these lunatics proceed that far) would be facing a courtroom filled with the armed Left NOT conservatives? With a media cheering it on.

Unless your real goal is to have an armed shoot-out at a courthouse to demonstrate something you wish to see. You are too young to remember this but do me a favor and look up “George Jackson”, “Angela Davis”, “Jonathan Jackson” then get back to me on your whacky idea.

The passage of Obamacare was nothing like the passage of MA healthcare law. It could not have passed with the relatively open methods used in Mass. It is sophistry to claim otherwise.


218 posted on 06/25/2012 12:17:35 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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