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Longview man with windmill takes city to task over charges
KATUnews.com ^ | 5/10/2012 | Thom Jensen,

Posted on 05/10/2012 7:25:10 PM PDT by Baynative

LONGVIEW, Wash. – Ken Spring of Longview says he does everything by the book.

He said all the buildings on his neatly tended property in Cowlitz County are permitted and he always tries to abide by the law.

But he also said he is willing to fight to keep a newly built, 30-foot tall windmill on his land.

“You'll find this hard to believe, but I'll die for that,” he said as the windmill spun around overhead. “I am fed up.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: longview; windmill
"It's not a matter of us not wanting him to do it. There's just a process that has to be gone through to allow it," John Brickey, Longview Community Development Director told KATU News.~~~

Translation: We don't have any rules governing a properly installed windmill driving a permitted well on private property. But, we need to figure out how to get into this citizen's life and pocket book.

1 posted on 05/10/2012 7:25:14 PM PDT by Baynative
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To: Just Lori; Libertina; Lexinom; horatio; freebird5850; Horatio Gates; Ramius; HairOfTheDog; ...
WA Ping

“You'll find this hard to believe, but I'll die for that,” he said as the windmill spun around overhead. “I am fed up.”

I'll be contacting Mr. Spring to let him know he's got my support and respect!

2 posted on 05/10/2012 7:28:40 PM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: Baynative

And people think they own their land...

They might have paid a hefty sum for it. But they are just renting it from the taxing authority.


3 posted on 05/10/2012 7:34:19 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Baynative

John Brickey forgets for whom he works.
I trust Mr. Spring will educate him


4 posted on 05/10/2012 7:37:03 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Baynative

I suspect the city is more than willing to take Mr. Spring up on his offer to die for his rights, if they can find some way to get away with it.


5 posted on 05/10/2012 7:39:16 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: Baynative

Mr. Brickey needs to Google up Carl Drega.


6 posted on 05/10/2012 7:41:20 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer, but when it is, it’s the only answer.)
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To: Lurker
Mr. Brickey needs to Google up Carl Drega.

Now that passes for "fed up."

7 posted on 05/10/2012 7:46:12 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Baynative
Private, small-scale wind power has been a proven useful economic technology since the 1930's or so.

Giant wind-farms are, by and large, a boondoggle.

But just like FDR's Big Government "New Deal" REA caused the take-down of small-scale rural wind plants across the country, the modern Big Government plans for giant wind farms have started to take out the small-scale private generators.

That really p!sses me off.

8 posted on 05/10/2012 7:47:15 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Baynative
'63 Galaxie lightweight alert!

(And, Oh, Yeah, I'd be totally on this guy's side even without the car collection and the doggy picture.)

9 posted on 05/10/2012 7:57:15 PM PDT by norton
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To: norton
I tried to blow up the picture to see if the fender badge says '390' or '427' (can't tell). The Thunderbolt hood wasn't a Galaxie option in '63, but who cares? It's a great looking garage and collection.

Anyway, I'm with you and I'm with Mr. Spring all the way. I think the local government may be in a bit of a bind on this one.

10 posted on 05/10/2012 8:13:00 PM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: Baynative

I live in Longview, Washington.

I am single and live alone. I do three to four loads of clothes washing a week. I run the dishwasher every two days. I do not wash my car at my home nor do I water the plants in my garden as I live in a forest.

My water-sewer bill last month (it comes every two months) was for $196.00. My actual water base charge was $20.00 and the sewer base charge $58.00. The rest are: water consumption charge $15.00 and sewer consumption charge of $43.00. The rest is garbage pickup, storm water and utility taxes totaling $60.00.

I can understand someone putting a windmill up to power a pump for a well so they can water fruits and a garden.

As for the City of Longview, they pay their employees very well and the employees union? I believe it is SEIU.

Everyone on Free Republic should be familiar with that communist led union, correct?


11 posted on 05/10/2012 8:18:26 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: Baynative

Hope for the best for him, but expect the worst. The locals have the best lawyers the taxpayers can afford and all the time in the world to drag it out for years. Unless the guy is independently wealthy, they will out-money and out-lawyer him. My guess is that they will get an administrative ruling (like the EPA) and get an order to tear the windmill down before any court action can be taken.


12 posted on 05/10/2012 8:23:55 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Baynative

The Peoples Republic of Washington can be an obnoxious place. Beautiful state that is going to tax itself out of existence.

I bought out on acreage and the closest neighbor is about 1000 feet downhill from us. Would like to have purchased a large and efficient outdoor wood boiler to heat the house/garage/barn with wood using a large water reservoir to hold the heat.

Washington is one of two states that have banned outdoor wood boilers. I understand banning them in areas with a certain population density because people in trailer parks might burn green wood and trash in them and smog up the neighborhood. I don’t support that. However, any particulate matter I generated would be minimal burning dry seasoned wood and it certainly would not impact my neighbors. Using their own calculations, the Garn wood boiler would emit half the allowable particulate over a 24 hour period. Instead of calculating it that way, they assume the boiler burns non-stop and they won’t make allowances for rural property. The model I wanted, a Garn, is only burned once a day for 120 minutes at most in the coldest part of winter. You only have to burn every few days in the summer to keep hot water. It’s much cleaner than a fireplace and way more efficient.

$10,000 fine if they catch you with one here. However, I can burn brush piles all day long on my property. Meanwhile, my neighbors a few miles away in Idaho can have all the wood boilers they want on their property. Go figure...

I could be saving a huge amount of money by using one of these things for my hot water and heat. It makes me wonder if they ban them in rural areas for tax reasons and why do they dictate so much of what we can do in Eastern Washington from the coast? Oregon is the same way.

I share this gentleman’s outrage and wish him well. I hope they vote out all the bums in city hall that support this harassment.


13 posted on 05/10/2012 8:24:46 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: SatinDoll
Sewer "consumption" charge?
14 posted on 05/10/2012 8:29:28 PM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: cableguymn

We ceased owning our land as soon as the government put a tax on it.....we are renting it from the government...the rent goes up every year....


15 posted on 05/10/2012 8:39:37 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: SatinDoll

the last house I lived in I put in a water sprinkly system, to avoid sewer tax on watering my land I had a seperate meter put in for only the sprinkling system...no sewer tax on that system...cut my bill in 1/2 of doing that.


16 posted on 05/10/2012 8:43:09 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: SatinDoll

Well, come on down to the suburbs south of Houston. My water bill is never higher than $33.00 a month. We have awesome flood control, I have a sprinkler system and water my yard every other day most of the year, take long showers, run the dishwasher daily and do lots of loads of laundry. Also covers twice weekly trash pick-up and I can put my trash out in plastic trash bags if I choose. Our flood control district also has added numerous parks and playgrounds throughout our area and we have two neighborhood pools.


17 posted on 05/10/2012 8:48:45 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: goat granny

HA..here in the Northwest they tax and fee charge us on EVERYTHING....every year they have to CHECK our SPRINKLER valve or some such thing....costs, oh, something like $30...that on top of sewer charge (flat) and water....and we live in a place where they’d probably tax the rain if they could figure out how to do it...which I’m sure they are working on, although I think that’s part of what the “sewer charge” is about.


18 posted on 05/10/2012 9:04:07 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: goodnesswins

It’s probably the backflow prevention assembly on the sprinkler system, from the description. State law requires annual testing. It keeps the bad water in your sprinkler system from getting sucked back into the water supply system and making everyone sick.


19 posted on 05/10/2012 9:25:00 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: castlebrew

Yeah, that’s it...I’d like to get rid of it...we really don’t use the sprinklers...they were installed by the builder...for this spec house.


20 posted on 05/10/2012 10:04:28 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: castlebrew

Secondly, how often (if you know) does a backflow that’s tested show a problem?


21 posted on 05/10/2012 10:05:19 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: Baynative

{giggle} Yeah, I know! For a time, a very short time, the city had on there a a ‘usage fee’. So you were essentially charged three times for the same thing.

The screams at the city council’s meetings from city residents must have been terrible, because that was removed.


22 posted on 05/10/2012 10:49:55 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: SatinDoll
Just damn, why the huge expense for water?

I get concerned when our water bill goes up to 40 bucks a month when running the evaporative (swamp) coolers in the summer. This is from a small water company here in AZ.

23 posted on 05/10/2012 11:49:58 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (I'll be a nice to you as you'll let me be, or as mean as you make me be.)
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To: Baynative; familyop
I wonder if Mr. John Brickey, Longview Community Development Director, is familiar with the novel "Unintended Consequences" ?

If not, I think he should familiarize himself with what petty little local tyrants might face.
24 posted on 05/11/2012 12:59:31 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: SatinDoll
In any city or county where liberals dominate the government they have mismanaged things so bad they are all in budget trouble. So, the only way they know to try to make ends meet is to take more from people who can't fight them.

Our county just implemented a $5.00 per month "franchise fee" on TV cable users.

25 posted on 05/11/2012 6:50:48 AM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: goodnesswins

so for 30 a year you can pump nasty water back in to the system?

wonder what they are snooping around for when they “test” the valve. if they cared about the water supply you could not pay a fee to skip the test.


26 posted on 05/11/2012 7:51:15 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: goodnesswins

just think this country was born out of a tax on tea...


27 posted on 05/11/2012 8:51:21 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Baynative

There is a big move to regulate the construction of windmills in WA counties because the left wants to put them everywhere, but near them or in their view, on AG land or recreational land in areas that they would like to be off limits to human incursion (Agenda 21).

Last week we drove through Southern California to Arizona, where all those wind farms were built years ago. The wind was blowing about 50mph, couldn’t open the car door at the rest stop because the wind was blowing so hard. The windmills weren’t running, not like you would expect with that wind. On the way back, they weren’t turning at all.


28 posted on 05/11/2012 11:18:30 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Baynative

The Lummis are installing windmills all over the reservation. No one knows where the transmission lines will come from. Evidently, all the money in erecting windmills is in the federal subsidies, like solar, so the Lummis are lining up for all the federal money they can get there hands on, with no concern about the residents of the reservation.


29 posted on 05/11/2012 11:26:01 AM PDT by Eva
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To: SatinDoll

$196 for two months of water & sewer? Are you serious? I pay approx. $25 per month for both!


30 posted on 05/11/2012 11:50:50 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Tainan
"I wonder if Mr. John Brickey, Longview Community Development Director, is familiar with the novel "Unintended Consequences" ?

If not, I think he should familiarize himself with what petty little local tyrants might face.
"

Thanks, Tainan. Xie xie. The novel looks interesting. I might find and order a copy. With a likely bond crash and continuing rising fuel prices ahead, many of the NIMBY ("not in my back yard") folks will be moving away from rural places and back in the poorer parts of cities before long. Besides, most of them are getting old (mostly the older half of my fellow Baby Boomers). IMO, remote rural areas will be mostly for the younger few and immigrants more amenable to rural life (e.g. some folks originally from the Himalayas who purchased lots near me--very nice neighbors, if they decide to build).

BTW, anyone who wants to build a small, private wind turbine (plans for homebuilt alternator, tilt tower, etc.) might consider doing so with a tilt tower. It can be left in the lowered position against the ground (alternator stored out of the weather) until it's needed (e.g., later in the government default and depression process, when funding from foreign debt and Fed printing press for enforcement will be slim). Only certain areas have frequent and strong enough winds for such equipment to be of much benefit, though.


31 posted on 05/11/2012 5:27:56 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: cableguymn; mo; E. Pluribus Unum; norton; Lurker; SatinDoll; dayglored; RetiredTexasVet; ...
I called the guy. He has always gone through the process for any permits he needed. But this time he was told (in the beginning) that they had no rules. So he moved on with his project.

He was a Tea Party founder in the area, so they are probably looking to put him in his place. I wonder if he'd be getting this treatment if he was an "Occupy" founder.

A letter to the editor would be a good show of support ...how 'bout it?

32 posted on 05/12/2012 8:09:38 AM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: goat granny; Eva; goodnesswins; Carry_Okie; TEXOKIE; ELVISNIXON.com; SunkenCiv; E. Pluribus Unum; ..

See #32 above. My letter was sent this AM.


33 posted on 05/12/2012 8:14:01 AM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: Baynative

Well done. I will do the same.


34 posted on 05/12/2012 9:53:53 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer, but when it is, it’s the only answer.)
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To: Baynative

In Whatcom County, the county council members voted themselves the power of approval over everything that is not expressly convered by county code, which meant that small individual windmills on private property had to go through the county approval process and were just summarily turned down. You cannot legally turn over a shovel of dirt in Whatcom County without a permit. They did eventually pass regulations regarding small private windmills.


35 posted on 05/12/2012 1:02:21 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
They did eventually pass regulations regarding small private windmills.

Of course they did. As self generated energy reduction methods become popular the government will work hard to regulate and tax them. They have long been bugged about people moving off the grid. Look for more efforts to tax the essentials of life and more false or hollow subsidies for moving into the urban collectives of the liberal future.

36 posted on 05/12/2012 2:52:46 PM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: goodnesswins
there was an article a while back on FR about a town that outlawed rain barrels, now don't go collecting God's water cause we need the tax money.....Its unbelieveable that these dumb arse towns election nazi's or else they turn into nazi's when elected....

I am not a townie, got 4 1/2 acres and a well. No tax on well water yet. The only problem is if the grid goes down and no electricity for days, its a problem. If I wasn't so cheap I'd get a generator....

37 posted on 05/12/2012 4:16:41 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Baynative

“He said he built it to avoid paying Longview’s expensive water and sewer bills.”

Follow the money...


38 posted on 05/12/2012 4:39:13 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: goodnesswins

I’ve not heard of one failing, but I’m sure that doesn’t mean that they don’t ever fail. Your water system manager or operator might be able to tell you.

You might also check with them about how to disconnect your yard sprinkler system to the degree needed to ensure them that it isn’t being used - that might be the avenue to getting away from a yearly backflow prevention assembly test...


39 posted on 05/12/2012 9:13:55 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: Baynative

No, the county council wasn’t anticipating people moving off the grid. The individlual windmills were mostly to run filter systems for ponds and things like that. No one was actually anticipating moving off the grid. The windmills that they wanted to build were not big enough for that. It was actually one of the county council members who wanted to erect a windmill on her own property to run the filter system on her pond that forced the vote.


40 posted on 05/12/2012 9:58:03 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Baynative

No, the county council wasn’t anticipating people moving off the grid. The individlual windmills were mostly to run filter systems for ponds and things like that. No one was actually anticipating moving off the grid. The windmills that they wanted to build were not big enough for that. It was actually one of the county council members who wanted to erect a windmill on her own property to run the filter system on her pond that forced the vote.


41 posted on 05/12/2012 9:58:20 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Baynative

If you want to be on or off the Agenda 21 ping list, please notify me by Freepmail. It is a relatively low volume list in which we have been exploring the UN Agenda21 and related topics. We have collected our studies with threads, links, and discussions on the Agenda 21 thread which can be found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2738418/posts

NEW ACTION THREAD:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2861644/posts


42 posted on 05/21/2012 7:48:10 AM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: TEXOKIE; Admin Moderator
Tex:HuffPo hates to post articles like this.

MOD - why is Agenda 21 opposition not considered activism?

43 posted on 05/21/2012 8:05:58 AM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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