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To: Colofornian
#1- Medicaid covered abortions ONLY for rape and incest. RomneyCare went beyond rape, incest (or even life of the mother/ectopic pregnancies) abortion-coverage.

No I won't concede that. MA ignored the Hyde amendmet until 1981 and funded for "medically necessary" abortions under Medicaid. The legislature apparently passed a bill to bring State requirements in line with Hyde, but I cannot find when and if it came into effect.

I have found evidence that in 1985 MA covered abortions under "medical necessity" and also in the mid 90's. Unfortunately, as we know and Reagan found out, "medical necessity" is nothing more than a loophole to further abortion.

This covers your point #2 also...with this qualifier-Romney did not set the schedule for subsidies for insurance, of which the abortion coverage was a part. That is the Commonwealth Health Insurance Connector Authority. Many of the details of Romneycare were completely out of his hands. The inclusion of abortion coverage was one of those things.

#3- As you mention, those levels of income you mention are not totally subsidized. They are on a sliding scale based on income and household members. Yes, they undoubtedly cover some women that would not be covered under the fed guidelines for Medicaid coverage. Fortunately, as income rises, the number of women that avail themselves of abortions fall.

I would point out that Bay State natives still support Romneycare 3 to 1. They overwhelmingly supported it from its inception. People that don't can certainly relocate. Romney has specifically and repeatedly said he opposes obamacare for that reason...it is outside the Federal governments power to mandate something that is delegated specifically to the states...just as auto insurance is a state matter not a federal one.

Romney should have vetoed, rather than praised and signed, any legislation that would pay abortionists to kill children.

He vetoed eight portions of the health care bill, and every one was overridden. MA was going to get government health care regardless of who was governor. Romney's plan prevented the legislature from using a direct tax to fund government health care.

His original proposal didn't even include a mandate...he favored tax incentives for those that did have coverage and one's that didn't actually pay for their healthcare out of pocket. (If someone can find a copy of his original proposal tagged as MA House Bill #4279 July 20th, 2005 I would greatly appreciate it. I would like to actually see his proposal and compare it to what came out as "Chapter 58".)

In fact, his original proposal came about to head off a house and senate proposals, and a drive for a MA constitutional amendment forcing government health coverage that acquired 75,000 signatures in favor of. All would have been worse than Romneycare.

For all this arguing over the abortion funding in Romneycare, the net effect was no more abortions than prior years, and in fact, a reduction in abortions in the following years. That is a national trend, but if Romneycare encouraged abortion to the extent you claim, there should have been a dramatic increase.

On a personal note....digging through all this is disgusting. Nothing is more Godless and wrong than on demand abortions. I'm surprised God hasn't zotted MA.

As far as Romney himself is concerned, I would never support him except for one reason....OBAMA IS WORSE. This election is the biggest crock of sh*t I have ever seen. I warned what would happen when conservatives turned their back on a man as good as GWB, now see where we are. I'm warning you again...if Obama isn't defeated, there will be nothing left of a conservative movement.

If conservatives can't help get Obama out, what use are we?

1,140 posted on 05/07/2012 6:23:31 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun; EternalVigilance; CharacterCounts
I would point out that Bay State natives still support Romneycare 3 to 1. They overwhelmingly supported it from its inception.

You really think that we're going to be impressed by the likes of citizen-voters who gave us...
...Teddy Kennedy...
...Dukakis...
...John Kerry...???

He vetoed eight portions of the health care bill...

Yes, Sections 5, 27, 29, 47, 112, 113, 134 & 137.

...and every one was overridden.

You know, that's like a Senator -- knowing his vote would not make a difference in defeating legislation that puts taxpayers on the hook for paying to dismember infants -- trying to remain somehow "neutral" by abstaining from the vote.

In fact, to Mormons -- this scenario of neutrality is horrific re: the common Mormon narrative that blacks were supposed "neutral spirits" who didn't side either way when Satan & his demons rebelled vs. God in heaven...Hence, the Mormon narrative has gone, that God supposedly "cursed" these spirits with black skin when their spirits were sent to inhabit bodies on earth.

Mormons have for generations called this a definitive lack of commitment one way or the other a lack of "valiance" -- and "cursable" by God. So...Mitt Romney's own Mormon narrative from his spiritual fathers' past condemns him.

MA was going to get government health care regardless of who was governor.

Well, you know, Biblically, we're Not necessarily responsible for the sin of others...had Romney chosen that route in this matter -- (which he did not)
...but we certainly know that when we participate in the sins of others -- there's no absolving that: Mitt Romney's Bible tells him: ...do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure. (1 Tim. 5:22)

He vetoed...

Well, what prominent section dealing with Planned Parenthood as part of the "payment policy advisory board" did Romney choose NOT to veto? (Section 3) That section mandates that one member of MassHealth Payment Policy Board must be appointed by Planned Parenthood League of MA. (See chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006, section 3 for details).

Well...given Romney's ties with Planned Parenthood, no real surprise there, right? (a) Attended PP fundraiser in '94; (b) Ann Romney gave donation to PP in '94; (c) Mitt asked to fill out the PP voters guide in '02.

For all this arguing over the abortion funding in Romneycare, the net effect was no more abortions than prior years, and in fact, a reduction in abortions in the following years. That is a national trend...

Yes...a national trend...

...but if Romneycare encouraged abortion to the extent you claim, there should have been a dramatic increase.

You know if you had a drug cartel which gave out free dope in your neighborhood -- but for some reason didn't increase the # of addicts -- that latter factoid is suppose to somehow lessen the way we feel about that??? (In this analogy, Romney IS the drug cartel leader...and believe me, aborting our young with taxpayer $ is worse than free drugs for our young...at least our young can both say "no" or potentially bounce back from such usage).

On a personal note....digging through all this is disgusting. Nothing is more Godless and wrong than on demand abortions. I'm surprised God hasn't zotted MA.

Amen.

1,148 posted on 05/07/2012 7:22:46 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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