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Posted on 05/06/2012 8:09:35 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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Could you please at least reconsider your barrage of "ABO" as this euphemism for (potential) Romney voters, etc. (& others who will seek to find "safe haven" under that umbrella?)?
I mean, 4 more "ABO" euphemisms in this post...gives you 35 for this thread in 18 posts...A nice "twice" average per post...
The pro-aborts learned that if you repeat "pro-choice" enough, it sticks...
And we've had a few posts from at least two people planning on voting for Romney who concede this is an obvious euphemism...but haven't called you out on it.
Well, I am.
ALL: I addressed this once earlier (post 1,210) but wanted to reinforce what I said there...that it doesn't matter what Romney's own "personal machinations" are -- or aren't -- re either inflicting Mormonism upon the public-at-large or associated concerns...
What needs to be "vetted" is the Mormon "prophet" and future Mormon "prophets" during any of the 4-8 years Romney could be in the White House. What are their machinations -- based upon the "track record" of previous Lds "prophets" and other general authorities?
|Lds Leader||Chronological 'Prophet' or Fundamental # (or Other Title)||Overlap Areas: Could the President of the U.S. become a 'puppet' to an Lds 'Prophet?' (The Lds Prophets -- in their own words)|
|John Taylor||Lds 'Prophet' #3||The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto [so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862)|
|Orson Hyde||President of the Lds Quorum of the 12 Apostles for 28 years (1847-1875)||What the world calls Mormonism will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53)|
|Heber J. Grant||Lds 'Prophet' #7||"Elder Marion G. Romney recalled the counsel of President Heber J. Grant: 'My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.' Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, 'But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray'" (in Conference Report, Oct. 1960, p. 78)." Cited in Official Lds publication Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, p. 209 (1984)|
|Harold B. Lee||Lds 'Prophet' #11||...President Harold B. Lee said: 'We must learn to give heed to the words and commandments that the Lord shall give through his prophet, '...as if from mine own mouth...(D&C 21:4-5)...You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord himself..." Cited in official Lds publication Remember Me: Relief Society Personal Study Guide I, p. 27 (1989)|
|Spencer Kimball||Lds 'Prophet' #12||"President Spencer W. Kimball said: '...We deal with many things which are thought to be not so spiritual; but all things are spiritual with the Lord, and he expects us to listen, and to obey..." (In Conference Report, Apr. 1977, p. 8; or Ensign, May 1977, p. 7) Cited in official Lds publication Come, Follow Me: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide 1983, p.12 (1983)|
|What about Marion G. Romney, cousin to Mitt's father?||Who was he in Lds hierarchy? (Title: 'President' - Top 3 of church as 2nd counselor to both #11 & #12 Lds 'prophets')||"Elder Neal A. Maxwell has said: 'Following the living prophets is something that must be done in all seasons and circumstances. We must be like President Marion G. Romney, who humbly said, '..I have never hesitated to follow the counsel of the Authorities of the Church even though it crossed my social, professional, and political life' (Conference Report, April 1941, p. 123). There are, or will be moments when prophetic declarations collide with our pride or our seeming personal interests...Do I believe in the living prophet even when he speaks on matters affecting me and my specialty directly? Or do I stop sustaining the prophet when his words fall in my territory? if the latter, the prophet is without honor in our country! (Things As They Really Are, p. 73). Cited in official Lds publication, Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, pp. 275-276 (1984)|
|Ezra Taft Benson||Lds 'Prophet' #13||Benson speech given 2/26/80 @BYU. Summary: remember, if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet (See excerpts re: 3 of 14 'fundamentals' below) Source: Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet|
|Benson (cont'd)||Fundamental #5||5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time. (My Q: Ya hear that Mitt Romney?)|
|Benson (cont'd)||Fundamental #9||9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual. (My Q: Still listening, Mitt?)|
|Benson (cont'd)||Fundamental #10||10. The prophet may advise on civic matters. (My Q: What say ye Mitt?)|
|B.H. Roberts||LDS Historian and Seventy. Note: Roberts was an elected Democratic Congressman from Utah in 1898 -- but was NEVER seated by Congress because of grass roots uproar vs. Roberts, who took a THIRD simultaneous wife in the early 1890s. Grass roots America collected 7 MILLION signatures on 28 banners and presented them to Congress...in pre-mass media 1800s!||[T]he kingdom of God... is to be a POLITICAL INSTITUTION THAT SHALL HOLD SWAY OVER ALL THE EARTH; TO WHICH ALL OTHER GOVERNMENTS WILL BE SUBORDINATE AND BY WHICH THEY WILL BE DOMINATED. The Rise and Fall of Nauvoo, 1900, p. 180|
|Mitt Romney as POTUS???||Aside from above prophetic impositions, why would Mitt not only honor what these 'prophets' have spoken, but what a future Lds 'prophet' may tell him to do?||The Law of Consecration Oath Mitt Romney has sworn in the Mormon temple (done before marriage/sealing in temple): "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and EVERYTHING with which the Lord has blessed you, or WITH which he MAY bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion." Source: What is an LDS Church/Mormon temple marriage/sealing? [Q: Please define 'Zion': The LDS PR Web site (lds.org) defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church."]|
Thanks for holding the line on anti-Christian bigotry Jim.
To solidify conservative backing for 2014 and 2016, I expect shameless opportunist Romney, the man without a core, to be the most zealous advocate and practitioner of constitutional conservatism as president including, as I said, getting advanced blessing from the Federalist Society for his SCOTUS nominations.
Thank you for your response.
If you would check several times where I've already posted this (graphs below)...you'll see I don't assume that (see especially the 3 graphs just below the 5-bullet-points section):
If people want to understand how Mormonism's approach to the socio-political realm, they may want to read these two articles (the first written by a Mormon; the second by an ex-Mormon):
* Mitt Romney mirrors his Mormon church [Lds writer says Romney flip-flops 'cause Lds church has/does]
* Who is Mitt Romney? [Ex-Lds author reveals why Mitt's wishy-washy culture waffles & flip-flops]
In the first linked article above, Mormon Neal Chandler highlights how in the 19th century...
* Mormons forced communism upon its people -- and then not (United Order)
* Adhered to theocracies under its first two "prophets" -- and then slowly drew back
* Said polygamy was a condition of the highest degree of glory -- and then not
* Encourage its Utah Territory voters to be Democrats -- and then told whole groups of people wholesale to "balance it out" as Republicans as statehood approached
* Excluded blacks -- and then late in the 20th century not
From the second article linked above: What makes Mitt the kind of person he is ruthlessly opportunistic, dishonest, insincere, willing to say anything for advantage, lacking in conscience, preoccupied with appearance, etc., on the one hand, yet squeaky clean, family-oriented, disciplined, boring, and predictable, on the other? My new e-book, A Mormon Story, sheds light on the culture that produced Mitt Romney.
Good question. (It's one I've raised -- and answered numerous times on various FR threads)
The answer, says this ex-Mormon in the book referenced above is: (From the article): The book reveals a VALUE SYSTEM that ultimately has no absolutes, other than the need to conform to deep-seated, highly-controlling authoritarianism that pervades LDS culture. That culture emphasizes a Mormon tradition known as "eternal progression" undoctrinal spiritual evolution in which even God is changing. It also emphasizes the notion that the latest words of governing church leaders trump the Word of God found in the scriptures (including LDS scripture).
IOW, EVERYTHING in Mormonism -- from its theology to its social practices -- is up for potential change at the whim of the Mormon god. Bottom-line: There is no bottom-line in Mormonism! There is no bedrock doctrine that cannot be replaced!
There isn't even an Ultimate god in Mormonism...Nobody knows who the gods are that were part of the council which appointed the god of this world -- a former man, say Mormons.
So there's not even any Ultimate Authority in Mormonism!
To solidify conservative backing for 2014 and 2016, I expect shameless opportunist Romney, the man without a core...
"Without a core" -- perhaps then...but not without moorings...you don't give 10% of your income...receive promises of having a family live together forever...receive promises of becoming a full-grown-up "god" of your own world...minus moorings...an anchor...[and don't assume the "puppets" in Salt Lake City are agenda-less]...
While it's true those "prophet" puppeteers meander (see those bullet points above), it doesn't mean they are not operating upon temporal/seasonal relativistic purposes.
It is imperfect shorthand, but in the context of my opening post on this thread and in the context of JimRob’s TRUCE declaration to which this thread linked (and the TRUCE declaration re-posted in this thread) it should be clear that persons who actually SUPPORT Romney, as in admire Romney and believe he is a sincere candidate, are NOT covered by the TRUCE and are not invited back to posting overt support for Romney on FR.
I only had so many characters to put in the limited space of the allowed FR title and I wanted to jam in a lot of concepts in a small space. The thread, warts and all (including two who thought I said JR had been called a RINO), has drawn 1300 comments!
I don't accept the literal meaning of “ABO” because I would not vote for a candidate who would harm the Republic MORE that Obama just to avoid voting for Obama. That would be unpatriotic, IMO. But the anti-Obama FReepers who also loathed Romney and who took offense at comments that were made about them before the TRUCE to the point of demanding to be Zotted self identified as “ABO.”
In view of the loss of the extra funding for Jim's equipment in this FReepathon I devised a title for a thread that would most clearly invite these self-identifying ABO FReepers who also loathed Romney to read the thread, find out about the TRUCE if they had missed it and reconsider that cancellation of donation or withheld donation.
Five or six ABO FReepers on this thread have commented that they have reconsidered and RENEWED their donations as a direct result of this thread. Another half dozen were drawn to the thead by the ABO term and said “no deal” they were still PO’d at JR and FR...yet they are still on FR and read the thread...and some have renewed making their case that voting against Obama is currently the highest priority for them.
I also don't agree that the term “RINO” makes any sense, as a comment mentioned way up thread. The correct term, IMO, would be CINO, that that is not the name that the ABO FReepers were called before they were invited to consider leaving FR, so I used the term RINO.
Thank you very much, GeoPie!!
Why not acronyms like PRV (Potential Romney Voter)? Which depicts the proper wariness ANY conservative should have in voting for Romney...
Obviously for those who've already made up their mind, drop the "P"...RV (Romney Voter)
Then for those who are subtly promoting Romney -- or dissing third-party voters...those would be: "RPA" (Romney Public Advocates) or "RPC" (Romney Public Campaigners)...which WE both know few non-OPUSing FREEPERs would readily "ID" themselves as (in keeping with the site host's wishes).
Which means the above acronyms simply serve to allow the RPAs and RPCs to "slide in" -- safe haven-like -- under the other acronyms above...especially yours.
Now that may not be your intention...but it does -- in part -- provide "safe haven" beyond the "I-see-no-choice-but-to-vote-Romney-as-of-now" clan...which are Romney campaigners, advocates, etc. operating "on the sly."
But...I concede..."RV" might do the same thing...it's just more frank...and not euphemistic...
This is an open forum. If you post comments on it, expect someone to address them.
If you find something you don't like posted by another FReeper, you could always do the mature thing and ignore it instead of trying to shut others down.
caww has every bit as much right as you do to post. I'm pretty positive that if someone told you to go stand in a corner and shut up, you wouldn't be real excited about it.
YEt you still refuse to point out the evidence, but hope others will do the work.
My last post to you on this thread.
Am I surprised?
It is really simple; isn't it!
Jesus answered, The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.
1 John 3:21-24
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps Gods commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
Alien: The Sequel
MORMONs tend to IGNORE the data.
I guess that IS denying.
You don't have FACEBOOK?
JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?
JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?
JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?
JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!
JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.
JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!
JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.
JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.
JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?
JOSEPH SMITH: This? At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven (Matthew 22:30)
JESUS: That's it.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: Nah - it was right.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.
JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.
JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!
JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?
JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....
JESUS: What did you say?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.
JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.
JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?
JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!
JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: No; it wasn't.
JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?
JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?
JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.
JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.
JOSEPH SMITH: But....
LITTLE Debbie has a treat for you!
Try searching OTHER threads EF has been in.
#720 had an example of, of, of SOMETHING...
Youve been itching for a zot for some time. Maybe Jim will scratch that itch today. Maybe not.
But you will some day soon Ride the Lightning.........................................
What, you hold a daily meeting with the powers that be as to what is acceptable to post???
Well it was the typical response when they don’t want to face the facts....or don’t know what to say...play the victim...also another defense commonly used by cults and/or their adhereants... Rather than offer something to discuss or debate to clarify themselves.
Sometimes you choose not to deal with childish tempers and simply move ahead with what you’re doing..as I did in this case. They’ll be other opportunites along the way.
Thanks for stepping up though....loved it!
Not necessary for either..."The Hound of Heaven" knows where the trails are....we simply walk with Him...He brings us to where the "The Foxes that Spoil the Vine" are knawing away.
Although when a poster addresses "You guys "..rather than one on one...well then on occassion we share.... a ping -a ling a ling!.... So they know they're being addressed as well.
” - - - New French Socialist President vows 75% tax on anyone making more than $1.3 million - - - “
Now we are in higher math! NO problemo! I’ll just take off my socks and slippers, and Voila! My Computing power has DOUBLED!
Okay, 75 % X 8 hour workday = 6.0 hours X 60 minutes = 360 minutes will be spent of every workday of his/her life working on Plantation France, on scenic Bastille Avenue.
BTW, that only leaves 120 minutes per work day for non-Feudal Activity.
It seems that France has returned to Feudalism, a 360 degree turn to the left - - - .
Maybe these really “are the best of times, and the worst of times?”
Surely the new French President is not nicknamed “Robes Pierre?”
So indeed the church leadership and Romney will be steering this country in such as way as to position their political agenda favorably.
Oh my gosh..you crack me up!..LoL....
...you sound like my brother...he's a math/science genius with a similar humor....and like you, he 'splains' so us feeble minded ones can understand...LOL.
It's been said the people of France will be in the streets protesting within 6 months....if Bambi wins we'll be looking just like them...Heck if Romney wins likewise!
If it isn't it will be a lonely place, but if only the
selfrighteous are there, then, who wants do go? (A little play on Larry Gatlin there.)
Don't you end up going the same way?
...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.
Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.
I clicked on YOUR picture, but nothing happened!?
” - - - Don’t you end up going the same way?”
Thanks for making my point.
(What ever you do, do NOT tell the French that they have made a 360 degree turn to the Left back into Feudalism, as THEY think that they have “Done the Right Thing.”)
BTW, here in The States, isn’t a vote for Obama or Obamalite a “turn to the Left” also?
I've noticed that too. Why is that? I don't understand why people are like that? I want the truth, the full truth and then I'll make my choice. I just don't understand why people don't want to know the truth?
What you have posted about Mormons and the Bible is true, IMO, but on my thread has been thread hijacking and is misguided in the context of this election, IMO.
BTW, a cousin of mine who was a contemporary of Joseph Smith was one of the very first Twelve Apostles of Joseph Smith...but was excommunicated after Smith prophesied that all of the original twelve would always affirm Smith's delusions.
This cousin publicly denounced Smith as a fraud after one of his bank Ponzi schemes collapsed, a scheme claimed to have verified as a good investment by God to Smith. The cousin lost his money and actually fired a gun into the ceiling of a Mormon gathering to emphasize his displeasure and try to motivate return of his money by Smith and his remaining followers (no luck there for the cousin).
Barry's idol from the early 1800’s, Karl Marx, had plans for socialist world government that are now are a far bigger threat because a believer in that totalitarian ideology IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY! Barry will be virtually unconstrained, and will be “much more flexible” on a whole range of US Republic-destroying executive actions is reelected.
It won't be until January 2017 at the earliest that Romney would be similarly unconstrained by the need to get reelected and could attempt to throw of his conservative guise to impose some kind of Mormon subversion of the US gov’t, IMO. Prior to January 2017 I expect Romney, the man with no core, to aggressively pretend to be conservative to avoid the fate of Lugar or loss of NC and VA if he ever attempted to flip on gay marriage or abortion.
Sure, Romney will infiltrate numerous Mormon minions into the federal government than are already there, but right now, Barry's Marxist Czar minions are his ACTUAL SHADOW CABINET and are destroying this country TODAY. Note that just yesterday, the RCP average of polls flipped strongly in Romney's favor for the first time and the world economy appears to be rolling over dragged down by Obama-like policies in the EU, which the French have just doubled down on. The claim that shameless chameleon Romney "can't win" is becoming less credible daily when he is up against shameless chameleon ineligible Marxist Manchurian Obama.
The need to have Free Republic equipped with the best servers for the crucial defeat of Obama in November and to amplify the many coming revelations about both Obama and Romney as they are vetted (finally) is why I encourage all FReepers, whether ABO or FUMR, to DONATE to the current FReepathon!
Avoidence written smally.
Are we REALLY prepared for a RON paul presidency?
The way things are going, neither Mitt or Obama will get any votes!!
Thanks for the lecture, someone's mom!
Meanwhile shameless covert Marxist traitor Barry now admits that he has been lying for years and has given in to homosexual blackmail on the issue.
I was just listening to Wolf Blitzer while surfing during my medical lie-down and Blitzer said Barry can kiss NC, VA and OH goodbye! This means he expects Romney to pick up those electoral votes. If Romney wants to get reelected unopposed he won't dare to backslide of this position or abortion.
So no remote prospect of Ron Paul getting the GOP nomination even a single electoral vote if he ran as an independent.
I was thinking REPUBLICAN!!!
He seems to be the only one will the gonads to stay to the end!
I'd bet that HE doesn't rollover, get a belly rub, kiss the apparently Annointed One's ring and beg for a job in the MORMON White House!
You may be right; but...
...he sure AIN’T Obama and he ain’t ROMNEY, either!