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To: Waywardson

The enablers, the appeasers, the defenders of the indefensible are always the very CAUSE of the downfall of liberty. ...Loyalists
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Oh dear ...

Thats one of the things that will cause me to respond...

You attacked my American Loyalist ancestors...

I’m proud of each one of them...and so far I have proven certificates for FIVE of them..

and I would not have ever equated them with “the enablers, the appeasers, the defenders of the indefensible”

and I would not ever accuse them of being “the very CAUSE of the downfall of liberty”

Maybe a history lesson about the first Civil War AKA the American Revolution just might be helpful to you...

Meanwhile until you can get to a library...

Just like the Civil War 1861-1865 during the RW 1/3 of the country were rebels, 1/3 Loyalists and 1/3 could care less because it wasnt effecting them or their backyard..

Heres the background on my Loyalists...

One family was quite happily busy at work on their farm in Mahoopany on the Susquahanna River in PA (Wyoming Co)

Too busy to be enablers, appeasers, or try to be the very CAUSE of the downfall of liberty...and their lives, religion and politics as FREE ENGLISHMEN enjoying liberty was defensible...

Happy as clams they worshiped God, cleared their 500 acres grew their crops fed and raised their children and helped their neighbors ...

Some of those same neighbors burnt down their homestead and confiscated their land and drove them off..leaving the little children homeless..

The wife joined 4 other Loyalist women who were fleeing for their lives and together unaided and penniless they somehow managed to walk up through PA and NY to Canada bringing their 31 younger children to safety..Some of the children were babes in arms..our youngest was 3..

Then there was the other family on the Mohawk River in NY (Herkimer Co)

The 65 yo widow of a Leatherstocking type hero who was a captain of the Provincial Army and was killed at the Battle of Lake George (September 8 1755) ran the family trading post, enjoyed her grandchildren, and helped her neighbors..both white and Indian..

In 1711 her father had fought in the French Indians Wars also but that made no different to the neighbors who arrested her, her children and grandchildren included my TEN YEAR OLD 4th great grandmother and put them in prison ...

They burnt down that same trading post that had helped supply them to fight the French and the Indians and trapped inside the old lady’s invalid son..

One of the teenage granddaughters of the old lady was raped by the guards and died in that prison...I believe the guards would be called the good guys, the “patriots”

The family managed to escape when the guards heard that General St Leger was coming...

Gollies kid just what did those Loyalists do that could be identified as being “the enablers, the appeasers, the defenders of the indefensible are always the very CAUSE of the downfall of liberty” ???

BTW that PA family man was the great grandson of a man who had helped found New Rochelle, NY and who had GIVEN the land for one of the first churches in that city...

Note:

The arrests of Loyalists were so numerous that the prisons were overcrowded...

The rebels started using prison ships and whole families INCLUDING CHILDREN were kept in holds resulting in quite a few deaths and bad health...

I guess my Loyalist family could be regarded as lucky they were arrested before the rebels ran out of jail cells in Albany...


218 posted on 05/05/2012 12:52:58 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana

And we will do it again if need be.

My great great great great great great great great grandfather Financed the Revolutionary war and died penniless.

Many Loyalists escaped to French Canada. Which explains A LOT about the problems going on up north.


221 posted on 05/05/2012 12:58:22 PM PDT by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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