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To: allmendream
You just closed your mind completely to 217 didn't you - because 217 would make McCain eligible - according to Vattel.
Not at all. I read 217 in context with 215.
That is what you're not doing.

American law when McCain was born was that he was a natural born citizen not a naturalized citizen.
Now see, you're digging on that hole again. What law are you talking about? The Immigration Act of 1924?
Natural born citizens need no "law" to be natural born citizens.

362 posted on 05/09/2012 9:28:36 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Yes, citizenship obtained by the act of a naturalization law is the definition of unnatural born citizenship, which is the exact opposite of natural born citizenship.


363 posted on 05/09/2012 9:33:10 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: philman_36
According to you 217 has no context or bearing on the criteria established in 215.

Did Vattel write 217 for no reason then? What was the purpose and meaning of 217 if not to recognize the natural law concept that a soldier or diplomat serving his nation overseas did not “quit” his nation and thus his children are to be considered under natural law as being born in country?

Does that concept of natural law not exist outside of time and space and above all law immortal and immutable in the same way as you think Vattel 215 does?

How do you ignore the natural law concept that a person serving their nation overseas has not “quit” his nation?

The same way you ignore English law and their concept of “natural born” - the same way you ignore American law - the same way you ignore everything and anything that contradicts your reading of Vattel 215 - even the passage two down from it - Vattel 217.

So WHERE and WHEN and by WHO is “natural born” defined such that McCain would not be eligible?

366 posted on 05/09/2012 9:50:38 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
Still waiting...

American law when McCain was born was that he was a natural born citizen not a naturalized citizen.
What law are you talking about? The Immigration Act of 1924?
It isn't USC 8 Section 1401 as you said earlier, as he was born before it was enacted, so which law is it?

370 posted on 05/09/2012 10:19:14 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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