[allmendream]

Vattel’s definition - so often quoted - would make McCain a native or indigenous citizen - thus a natural born citizen - and thus qualified.

So by the most often quoted definition of “natural born” among birthers - McCain would be qualified.

Natural law as defined WHERE and by WHO requires that a child be born of citizen parents AND in country to be “natural born”?

It seems we find some examples going one way - and some going another - all some combination of the natural law concepts of allegiance at birth due to parentage or place of birth - because there is not ONE definitive definition held outside law and time and space - immortal and immutable.

[WhiskeyX]

“So by the most often quoted definition of “natural born” among birthers - McCain would be qualified.”

No, you are deliberately misrepresenting what Vattel wrote.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”

Consequently, your entire analysis is misbegotten upon fallacious assumptions and equally fallacious in conclusions.

McCain was not “born in the country of parents who are citizens,” however he was born as a statutory U.S. Citizen by operation of man-made U.S. statutory law instead of the law of nature.

[philman_36]

It seems we find some examples going one way - and some going another...
Well what examples has them going another way?

If one does use Vattel 212 specifically - The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. - it seems that McCain couldn't be a natural born citizen.
Or are you contending that McCain was born in a military hospital despite evidence that he couldn't have been born in a military hospital as it wasn't even authorized to be built until after he was born.

...because there is not ONE definitive definition held outside law and time and space - immortal and immutable.
Well that seems to be the issue then, doesn't it.
Some would argue that Justice Waite did just that in Minor vs Happersett. You obviously don't agree as your past replies have indicated. Shall I provide a reminder?