I posed this question to you a couple days ago and did not receive an answer other than “my, what strict stipulations:”
...I want to see a declarative statement such as, “it is the policy of this nation that in order to be a NBC, you must have citizen parents.” Give me something like that and I’ll join your side. And while you are at it, also provide evidence that the framers used Vattel specifically on the citizenship issue.
I ask it because all your theories regarding NBC is hinged upon it and if it IS the policy of this nation then it MUST be written down somewhere!
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I stated that my children were NBC because of the following regulation:
If you meet certain requirements, you may become a U.S. citizen either at birth or after birth. To become a citizen at birth, you must: Have been born in the United States or certain territories or outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; OR had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements. Reference follows:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/? vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD
If you had the ability to read you would have noted “you may become a citizen either at birth or after birth.” At birth grants NBC if born on U.S. soil or overseas of a citizen parent and after birth, depending on circumstances, naturalization. We all receive our birth certificates AT birth or within a reasonable amount of time like 10 days. Years later then it would be AFTER birth. Case in point; Vietnam veterans who left their children behind can apply for citizenship once they or their mother realize that they can do so. I went to the American Consul at the time of my children’s birth and received a Birth Certificate – not naturalization papers or procedures to follow to achieve citizenship, but full blown citizenship with the same rights that I have. Instead of a BC signed by a hospital administrator, I have that plus one signed by the Consul.
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You then come back with a reference on citizenship for children of non citizen military members. WTF?????
Did I not make it clear that I was not a non citizen military member?
Then allmendream teaches you about Vattel in Post 308. Vattel is your authority on being born overseas to parent citizens yet you abandon that in your attempt to ridicule me. It is obvious to anyone that you confuse his 2 parent rule for overseas birth with a birth on U.S. soil of any parents (with the exception of diplomats or those not under the jurisdiction.,etc., etc.)
Then in post 311 you quote a paragraph that states that the fathers rights will not pass if the soldier remains in that foreign country. What does this quote have to do with returning soldiers? You talk about context but you show ignorance.
Then you go on to insult me because I had children overseas and should have know better like that is any of your business. You said, “I was warned by my parents before going in about coming home with a foreign bride and/or child. Though they didn't go into specific details, but they knew far more than I did about many things and I simply trusted their judgement. Would that your parents had advised you so.
I can almost guarantee your parents knew more than you at any time. You are so pompous; you assume I had parents still living and able to provide me with advice of any sort…. You really demonstrate an understanding nature regarding the circumstances of others. Regardless I could care less about your opinions; I am however guaranteed the right to have children anywhere I choose. Show me where I can’t. A foreign bride may be wise advice if you bring home a hooker I guess your parents had insight into your character predilections.
If you had spent any time overseas while in the military you would have known that you must get permission from higher authority (in my case the Chief of Naval Personnel) before you could marry a foreign national.
Then you say to me, “You get your ass handed to you in debate….”
When did that happen?
You then say, “The only thing you've done is clearly show that statutes (INA/USC 8) made your British born children U. S. citizens. No statute (INA/USC 8) can make someone a natural born citizen.
I say, show me ANY statute that can make someone a natural born citizen. I showed you, as well as others, many quotes stating that birth in this country bestows natural born citizen status as well as native born citizen status. Cruise back on this thread, you’ll find them, even one from President Grant as well as several politicians and Supreme Court Justices. Just because you choose to bury your head in the sand doesn’t make them go away. I know I’ve asked you for several answers. Will that be too much for you to handle or should I summarize for you?
I posed this question to you a couple days ago...
WOW. You must be the one on the ropes. You posed no questions anywhere in your reply.
You presented a demand for something that couldn't be delivered as I explained.
I ask it...
Again, you didn't ask anything. You demanded something.
I stated that my children were NBC because of the following regulation:
Yes, that reply is @here.
I replied @here that "Natural born citizens need no statutes to make them such."
Regulations are statutes, aren't they?
Did I not make it clear that I was not a non citizen military member?
You made it clear that your children were @born to a British woman.
Then allmendream teaches you about Vattel in Post 308.
Really? In 308 I was merely shown one section of a book without benefit of the other contextual sections.
What does this quote have to do with returning soldiers?
Are you inferring that it only pertains to returning soldiers?
Then you go on to insult me because I had children overseas...
Really? This is what I said...I was smart enough not to have any kids born anywhere while in the military. (if that isn't it be sure to be specific on where I insulted you)
How is that insulting you?
When did that happen?
Which time?
I say, show me ANY statute that can make someone a natural born citizen.
I can't as none can. You're the one saying statutes made your children natural born citizens.
Will that be too much for you to handle or should I summarize for you?
Not at all. I even managed to provide links to better manage the conversation since it covers such a wide area.