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Romney will bend to pressure. Then, in 2016, we will crush him.

I can see another scenario. A Romney win will entrench the GOP-E socialists in the party. A President Romney would form a coalition between Congressional RINOs and Dems and hang the Tea Party out to dry. And he will use the power of his office to get more GOP-E candidates in 2014 and fight the rise of the Tea Party tooth and nail - and will be hard to dislodge in 2016, leading to yet another electoral disaster in 2018 and 2020 like we saw in the end years of the Bush Admin, due largely to the inherent RINO problems infesting that administration.

Every conservative, IMO, needs to make a hard assessment of whether a Romney win in 2012 would be a Pyrrhic victory in the ongoing fight against entrenched socialism in Washington. I can see both arguments. What I can't stand is the simplistic calls of party unity by too many on this site that ignores the basic fact that the GOP-E has openly knifed good conservatives in the back for too long - examples being Palin in 2008 and many Tea Party candidates in 2010. This fight is much bigger than just this election, and IMO President Romney would be a long detour in that fight.

I won't yell at anyone who says they are voting for Romney because he's not as bad as Obama. But I will tell anyone demanding me to follow their lead to KMA. Conservatives are not GOP lemmings any more. The GOP-E has to make the case for Romney and so far they have done the opposite.

100% DEAD ON RIGHT.

We need to let the collapse and the civil war happen on Zero's watch. Hold the line on judicial appointees at the Senate. Hold the line on the budget in the House. Zero is not all-powerful; not yet, anyway.

"A President Romney would form a coalition between Congressional RINOs and Dems and hang the Tea Party out to dry. And he will use the power of his office to get more GOP-E candidates in 2014 and fight the rise of the Tea Party tooth and nail - and will be hard to dislodge in 2016, leading to yet another electoral disaster in 2018 and 2020 like we saw in the end years of the Bush Admin, due largely to the inherent RINO problems infesting that administration."

What was Mourdock's barrier to entry? Candidates that affiliate to any degree with the Tea Party will be more viable under a President Mittens, not less. I don't see anyone scared by Mitten's money, it's not like it kept 5 conservatives from running against each other...

Electoral history designates second-term mid-term losses for the ruling party, to some degree. But neither party is going to look the same by then.

It would be great if the country and the states were made up of Tea Party conservatives, regular conservatives and right-leaning moderates. Unfortunately, every Republican president has to deal with:

Tea Party conservatives

regular conservatives

right-leaning moderates

left-leaning moderates

regular moderates

Democrats

Socialist/Democrats

Marxist/Democrats

Marxists

Socialists

Anarchists

moderate Democrats

right-leaning Democrats

Independents

and

complete morons

Being a Republican president is the hardest job in the World. Reagan had to cut deals with the Democrat Congress and Bush had to compromise with both. parties to keep the finances for the WOT going. Meanwhile, the entire body of people who are against you never stops attacking.

Its lose-lose.

JimRobs artcile was well said. The battle royal is coming - the most leftwing President and his minions are running for another term.

They (unions and the left) are after gov Walker in Wisconsin.
We have marriage on the ballot in NC.
We have many RINO v conservative primaries.
And in 2012 we have the oppty to reverse the Democrat Senate.

In 2010, we saw a lot of good candidates win, and it made a difference. Not enough, in part because Obama was still president.
In 2012, we see a lot of up and coming conservatives - Mourdock may beat Lugar, Cruz in Texas may beat Dewhurst - these races matters (also Nebraska).

these races matter - a lot. And disunity or grumbling about the inevitable Romney v Obama choice is pointless and unhelpful.
It is what it is, the saying goes.

“I can see another scenario. A Romney win will entrench the GOP-E socialists in the party. “

Not really. Win or lose, we have the same players and the same power structure in party, with grassroots and the beltway both parts of the party. both the ‘e’ wing and the conservative wings exist and will have to co-exist. Romney may install ‘his guys’ in certain places, but in any case the grassroots will stick to their guns on issues and either Romney governs as the conservative he ran on or he becomes a rump one-termer like GHWBush became when he broke his tax pledge.

The bottom line is that the real hollow victory would be to assume ‘aha we defeated the GOP-e’ when they lose to Obama in Nov. really?!? I dont think so! Everytime we lose the ‘insiders’ want us to move more to the center, not right.

“Every conservative, IMO, needs to make a hard assessment of whether a Romney win in 2012 would be a Pyrrhic victory”

Unless Romney flat out keeps obamacare and nominates a Kagan clone, its wont be a Pyrrhic victory. The real hollow victory will be if we dont sweep in strong conservatves with him to pull him right and solve the problems we face.

The GOP-E is the GOP. Let's face it "conservatives" have been the ugly sister at the dance since Ronald Reagan. And from the looks of the comments so far on this thread, many conservatives (?) are swallowing the cool aid once again.

I am with you, no more. The party left me in 1998 when the Senate refused to do their duty and hold a real trial for the impeached Bill Clinton.

Republicrats/Demicans not a great difference between the two, for this citizen. And I am glad I am not alone in this thought. When enough come to this conclusion, perhaps things might change, but I am not holding my breath and besides I don't have that much time left.