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To: Zman; betty boop; Jim Robinson
I agree, Zman and betty and so many more. And I thank JR for this much needed thread and post of healing and truce here on FR.

I have been spending a lot of time thinking and praying about this, and as I have stated, despite his warts, past history, flip-flops, etc. And despite favoring Sarah, Cain, Santorum and then Newt, should he go on and get the committed 1,144 delgates needed to win the GOP nomination, I will vote for Romney in order to defeat Obama. It is, IMHO, absolutely vital for the welfare and future of our nation that we remove Obama.

At the same time, as Jim says, we simply MUST also put in place a House and Senate that will hold Romney to the promises and commitments he is making, should he win. On his own site, those commitments are listed...we should all know and memorize tham and then hold him to them, because for the most part, they of themselves are good statements of intent.

However, given his record and background, we must also at the Federal level, at the States level, and clear down to the counties and towns, put in place people who will absolutely in any area of their influence, hold him to them.

If we do, I believe he will have to keep these commitments which are altogether different than what he did in Mass where the liberal State Legisalture had a hammer lock majority on every decsion and appointment he made.

If we are blessed by God in Heaven and His Son, Jesus Christ through the Holy Ghost, in answer to our prayers, to accomplish these things, I believe we can double down on 2010 here in 2012 and begin the turn around we all so desperately desire and work for...and make no mistake, we are going to have to all work, and work hard to make this possible.

But I believe it is possible and I am glad that FR will now be on the mend as a result of the actions and statements of the owner, Jim Robinson, so we can all take part at whatever level of that our conscience dictates we become involved. In this way we can go forward and uniteldy remain a force for good and agent of constitutional change in our society and nation.

God's speed to us all, and may He hear our prayers and answer them in His mercy to allow us to restore this Republic.


AMERICA IS AT THE CROSSROADS OF HISTORY

235 posted on 05/04/2012 8:16:45 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Just because we may cast a vote for Romney does not mean we cannot vocally and stridently oppose anything he does that is inconsistent with conservative values. Support him when he’s right on an issue, and fight against him when he’s wrong. I’d suggest that approach is perfectly consistent with both a clean conscience and sound policy.


247 posted on 05/04/2012 8:20:52 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Jeff Head; Jim Robinson
It's about time for this discussion. Thanks for opening it up.

My thoughts about Romney are a bit different. I don't like him, trust him, or hope for a revolution from his administration, but it's important to suck it up and vote for him anyway because:

1. The alternative is simply horrible. Four more years of Bambi is unthinkable. They will destroy everything good we all care about and live for.
2. The down ticket races have to win, we have to get more conservatives in so that Romney can be pressured, and unfortunately if we work against Romney we hurt the chances of conservatives winning down ticket and ever being effective.
3. Romney is still an unknown in the following areas: Will he stick with his stated pro-life positions? Will he be a good steward of the free market because of his business experience? Will he restore sanity to our armed forces? Will he try to "reach across the aisle" with these traitors or will he try to unite a somewhat conservative coalition to govern? Lots of questions that we can only guess. We know what Bambi brings, total destruction of all that we love.

I had the pleasure of meeting and listening to Breitbart a few short weeks before he died. His statement to all of us (conservatives of all stripes: pro-Newt, pro-Santorum, pro-crazy uncle, etc) conservatives was to work like Hell for your candidate, but in the end, if you didn't unite around who won, you were simply caving to and allowing the most destructive and evil administration ever to win. I agreed then, and still do.

317 posted on 05/04/2012 8:53:04 AM PDT by Lakeshark (NbIttoalbl,cRwIdtaa)
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To: Jeff Head; Zman; Jim Robinson; xzins; reaganaut; LS; Bigun; P-Marlowe
At the same time, as Jim says, we simply MUST also put in place a House and Senate that will hold Romney to the promises and commitments he is making, should he win. On his own site, those commitments are listed...we should all know and memorize tham and then hold him to them, because for the most part, they of themselves are good statements of intent....

If we do, I believe he will have to keep these commitments which are altogether different than what he did in Mass where the liberal State Legisalture had a hammer lock majority on every decsion and appointment he made.

Dear Jeff, I wholly agree.

First I was for Perry; then Newt; then Santorum. But it appears that Romney is the last man standing.

Virgil Goode has absolutely zero chance to be elected president. He has zero name recognition. There are only six months to go....

Just because he is a thoroughly good man, and the Constitution Party has the best platform out there (IMHO), doesn't mean that he can possibly be elected president, regardless of what we do in the next six months. (Short of direct divine intervention, of course.)

Romney is very largely being judged on his record as governor of Massachusetts, which is probably the most dysfunctional state in the Union, ideologically speaking. His critics probably forget — if they knew it in the first place — that in four years in office, he delivered over 200 vetoes of acts of the Massachusetts legislature. I do not recall a single one of them that was not subsequently overridden, thus to become what passes for “law” here.

The fact is the Office of the Executive in Massachusetts is “weak” — and made deliberately so over time — as compared with the governors of other states. The folks who run the political machine in Massachusetts prefer to do all their business through the Legislature and the Courts. A powerful executive only gets in the way; and so the long-term trend here has been to weaken the powers of the governor.

Case in point: the governor of Massachusetts cannot select judicial nominees, or make appointments to our Supreme Judicial Court. An unelected “Governor’s Council” does this. In short, the governor cannot have his own picks, but may only pick from a slate of candidates prepared for him by an unelected body.

To even be elected as a Republican in Massachusetts requires a good deal of “temporizing.” We see the same phenomenon with Senator Scott Brown, who faces the thorough-going Progressivist ideologue Elizabeth Warren on November 6th. Yet another choice of the “lesser of two evils” I suppose....

My home state is so gloriously beautiful — yet SOOOOOOO politically corrupt. So much so that Romney really didn’t ever have a chance to set matters aright. No one man could do that in four years anyway, it seems to me — the ideological rot goes so very, very deep here.

JMHO FWIW

Thank you so very much for your well-reasoned, valuable insights, Jeff!

337 posted on 05/04/2012 9:01:47 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: Jeff Head
..."we can go forward and uniteldy remain a force for good and agent of constitutional change in our society and nation".....

The Constitution is fine as it stands I'm not for cahnging the Constitution, nor how it functions for our nation. It's the leaders who need changing.. not our documents.

Further united with who?...conservatives yes...but the word "forward" and "united" in your post could be something different for some more than others and under a different banner then what I would see as that.

489 posted on 05/04/2012 10:31:14 AM PDT by caww
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