The Real Romney

American Clarion ^ | January 18, 2012 | Bob Ellis

[SoConPubbie]

The Daily Caller reports a huge 200-page research document has hit the internet, and it reveals Mitt Romney utterly and damningly for the flip-flopping opportunistic liberal that he is.

The paper was compiled during the 2008 presidential race and is believed to be from the McCain campaign (not the most conservative source itself). Among some of the interesting tidbits that blow a hole in his claims about being pro-life, pro-marriage, and generally conservative:

Abortion

• Romney says he changed his mind on abortion meeting with Harvard stem cell researcher - Romney claims the doctor said scientists "kill" embryos after 14 days, but doctor later said Romney "mischaracterized my position."
• Months after his "conversion," Romney stated his commitment to upholding Massachusetts’ abortion laws and appointed pro-choice judge to state district court.
• In October 2005, Romney signed bill expanding family planning services, including abortion counseling and morning-after pill.
• In December 2005, Romney "abruptly ordered his administration to reverse course . . . and require Catholic hospitals to provide emergency contraception medication to rape victims."
• Romney health insurance plan expanded access to abortion, required Planned Parenthood representative on state panel.
• Romney endorsed legalization of abortion pill RU-486 access during his 1994 Senate race and backed federal funding of abortion, saying "I think it’s important that people see me not as a pro-life candidate."
• In 1994 and 2002, Romney confirmed his support for Roe v. Wade decision and forcefully positioned himself as pro-choice in 1994 Senate race, saying "you will not see me wavering on that."
• Romney has refused to comment on bill pending in South Carolina legislature requiring that abortion doctors offer pregnant women option of viewing ultrasound.

Gay Rights

• Romney endorsed Rep. Barney Frank’s Employment Nondiscrimination Act in 1994.
• In 1994, Romney called "don’t ask, don’t tell" policy first step toward having gays and lesbians "able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military" and said he would provide "more effective leadership" on gay rights issues than Ted Kennedy.
• In 2003, Washington Times reported Romney "would support a Vermont-style civil union law in Massachusetts."
• As governor, Romney said health coverage benefits and hospital visitation rights should be provided to gay couples.
• Romney promised to make gay partnership benefits a "hallmark of my leadership as governor" and has said he would attend gay weddings if invited.
• Romney publicly opposed Boy Scouts’ ban on homosexuals in 1994 and 2002 campaigns.
• In 2002, Romney backed hate crimes legislation that included sexual orientation provisions.
• In 2007, Romney praised gay parent who confronted him over gay marriage issue, but in 2005 remarked to South Carolina audience that some gay couples "are actually having children" and called it "wrong."

Gun Control

• In 1994 Senate race, Romney backed Brady bill and assault weapons ban, saying "I don’t line up with the NRA" and "that’s not going to make me the hero of the NRA."
• Romney called Clinton crime bill "a big step forward."
• As governor, Romney quadrupled gun licensing fees and vowed not to "chip away" at tough gun laws
• In 2004, Romney signed permanent state-level ban on assault weapons that was mirrored after federal assault weapons ban. • In January 2006, Romney said he owned a gun - then two days later admitted he did not and the gun belonged to his son.
• Romney bragged about being member of the NRA but later revealed he didn’t join until August 2006, just before launching his presidential campaign.
• Romney recently said he’s "been a hunter pretty much all my life" but later admitted he hunted only twice in his life, later clarifying remarks by claiming he has hunted "small varmints . . . more than two times."
• In 2006 press conference, Romney claimed he had been hunting "many times" after returning from quail hunt in Georgia.

The paper also goes on to provide much greater details about these facts also. You should be sure to read the whole thing.

If Republicans allow themselves to be duped into believing Mitt "RomneyCare" Romney is a real Republican (much less a real conservative), they will be sorely disappointed if given a chance to find the truth once he’s in the White House.

If Republicans allow the "mainstream" media and RINO elites to scare them into settling for this poor excuse for a Republican, they are going to kick themselves later. With Americans having gotten a clear look at liberalism under Barack Obama and his Democrat Congress, there will never be a better time to elect a real Republican, a conservative who understands how America was designed to operate. With the damage done by liberals to our great nation, there has never been a time when we have more desperately needed a conservative who knows what makes this country tick . . . not one who will only reduce - but not stop - the level of liberal poison being injected into our society.

The truth is, Romney almost certainly will not get a chance to show his true face. Enough Republicans already understand that he’s nothing but a liberal with an "R" after his name, which means that even if people allow the "mainstream" media and the GOP establishment to fool them into supporting him in the primary, there will not be enough support from Republicans who know the truth to push him over the top in the general election. Principled Republicans will not vote for a fraud like Romney, and when "independents" are given a choice between a liberal with an "R" after his name and a liberal who proudly embraces the liberal Democrat Party, they’ll go for the genuine article every time.

Republicans, let’s throw this pretender onto the side of the road while there is still time, and choose a real Republican like Rick Santorum. Half-measures and "the lesser of two evils" will not be enough to save our ailing country; we must have decisive leadership that understands the need to return to the traditional American values that are PROVEN to work. Rick Santorum understands that; Mitt Romney just doesn’t get it.

[caww]

There’s nothing which will deter those people from voing for Romney...they’re in his camp by how they continue to press others they need to vote for him....in their twisted thinking they believe Romney will stop obama....the fact this has become a ABO election evidences clearly...it’s too late....the primary was where it was stolen and then pre-maturely determined....the hour has now passed.

Short of God intervening in this by raising someone up and a way to do that....the GOP/Democrat Elite have won this.... oBama or Romney will be fine with them....they are safe to proceed.

[Raider Sam]

Also, when I reported the real lying, flip flopping record of you, by posting your quotes and sourcing them, you said things changed (within a 5 month or so window, during which the official policy of the website changed) and you had to change your principles. But you said it was ok, because you can change your mind after research. You dont seem to give the same leeway to Romney. Yet you gave it to Newt, even after saying you couldnt possibly vote for him, because you said he changed. Fluid principles are nice to have, I suppose.

[Raider Sam]

Who is doing that?

[greyfoxx39]

But there is no debating, just bullet points and vague proclamations or gotchas.

LOL...as per your example in Post #192!

[Raider Sam]

People on internet forums dont tell me how to vote, or define the nature of what is acceptable. If you dont want to vote for him, fine. If you are trying to keep people from voting to ensure that down ticket races will swing to democrats, then I have a problem.

[Raider Sam]

I know who they are. The Mormon threads in the Religion forum are just plain ugly. And they use terms like Socialist, Marxist, Mittwitt, lying... during debates in order to freeze their target (kind of an Alynski-like tactic for supposed conservatives) because shutting down debate is more important than taking the chance of hearing something they dont like.

[Raider Sam]

Not sure what you are getting at. I offered two potential reasons to your question, then asked what the point was.

[SoConPubbie]

Also, when I reported the real lying, flip flopping record of you, by posting your quotes and sourcing them, you said things changed (within a 5 month or so window, during which the official policy of the website changed) and you had to change your principles. But you said it was ok, because you can change your mind after research. You dont seem to give the same leeway to Romney. Yet you gave it to Newt, even after saying you couldnt possibly vote for him, because you said he changed. Fluid principles are nice to have, I suppose.

and you had to change your principles

Another lie by a MittWitt.

The only principles I've changed recently(8 years ago), was I became completely Pro-Life. Whereas I supported Abortions for Rape, Incest, and life of the mother before, I no longer do.

With respect to the principles I judge political candidate by, I've never changed those during my lifetime at FreeRepublic.

1. Because Mitt Romney is constantly lying about his own record and the records of his opponents and Newt doesn't practice this lying behavior, in fact, when some of Newt's adds were incorrect, he had his superpac change them.
2. Because when comparing the records of Mitt, Newt, and Obama, Mitt's record and Obama's record lineup almost perfectly while Newt's record, complete with it's flaws, is almost the exact opposite of both Mitt's and Obama's.



Fluid principles are nice to have, I suppose.

You might want to ask Mitt Romney about that, he is the king of Flip-Flops and fluid principles.

[Deb]

Hey, that Virgil Goode guy will surely save us. Right? Third parties always save the day and they aren't Marxist tools at all.

VOTE CONSTITUTION PARTY BECAUSE ROMNEY IS A SCARY MORMON!!!!

[Servant of the Cross]

As for me, I will wait for the Falcon Party nominee. That’s the ticket! Winning!

[Tennessee Nana]

They trash Mormonism all day in the “Religion” forum and post any crazy “article” they can find against Romney in the main forum. But their main objective is to re-elect Obama.
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Gosh Deb this is SHOCKING !!!

And this has been going on right here in FRee Republic ???

Jim needs to know about these people right away...

Dont worry yourself dearie

I’ll PING him...

[Deb]

The FALCONS will save us!!!!!

VOTE BIRDBRAIN!!!!

[svcw]

Names names and report these reprobates to the owner of this site.....these charges are to serious to ignore.
The validity of the charge is inconsequential, it is the charge that is important......this must end now.

[Deb]

Hey, LOOK!!! A MORMON!!!

[ladyvet]

S..O...S..Please help me. There are MORMON’S moving in next door to me! Should I hide the children in the corn bin or call for an neighborhood exorcism???

[svcw]

Are you looking in a mirror?

[Raider Sam]

Hide the family pets. I hear they eat them with glowing red eyes at night. And dont invite them in, they cant enter your house unless invited.

[ejonesie22]

Socialist, Marxist, Mittwitt, lying..

You hear that because it applies to Romney and his supporters. From Mitt folks I have heard a lot of things I don't like

Before you and others continue on with your bilge understand that there are those opposed to BOTH Obama and Romney for very valid POLITICAL reasons.

A factor that many are failing to realize is that as a sitting REPUBLICAN President, Mitt Romney will have platform to promote his agenda, which history has shown could be anything. In fact many times it is one the DEMOCRATS WOULD LOVE.

So we have a chamber full with Democrats who love President Romney's policies and Republicans who will be under extreme pressure to vote in line with THEIR PARTY'S PRESIDENT.

With Romney any pretense of there being an opposition party evaporates.

Is Mitt the best of two bad choices, perhaps, and many of us will end up going that way, but not quietly nor without a fight to the very end. You may want to roll over and take whatever the GOP wants to puke out, which of course makes them keep doing it cycle after cycle, but at some point there will be no difference any more.

That point is damn near close if not already here in Romney.

As far as the relgious aspect, that's a whole other issue that modern Americans no longer seem to care about, and another reason we are in this fine mess...

[Deb]

OMG!!! There is a Mormon repellant at Walmart, I think, or you can get it online. God help you and your babies!!

[mojitojoe]

Tom Hoefling? Good plan. A winner for sure. But.. who is he? I hope you are joking.

[Raider Sam]

My problem is I dont think the people using those terms understand what they mean or can define them. They just say: Marxist!, and the conversation is over.

[mojitojoe]

Do you agree with everything that Mitt Romney has done?
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NO! I don’t agree with EVERYTHING any candidate has done but I do DISAGREE with EVERYTHING o bama Soetoro has done
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Have you ever posted anything negative about him?
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Yes, don’t be lazy, past posts are all there, go look. You are going to find I spent almost no time bashing Perry, Santorum or any of the other GOP candidates. I felt my time was better spend exposing the BIGGEST threat, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AKA BARRY HUSSEIN SOETORO because I will vote ABO!

[ejonesie22]

Actually many do. While it may be hyperbole it often does get the point across.

Romneycare for instance, not truly Marxist, but I bet Karl would like it, Obama sure does, he copied it and I am willing to bet using the term Marxist when referring to Obama meets with your approval...

[mojitojoe]

2nd

[ladyvet]

Too late! Too late! They showed me some kind of special panties and I handed the children and pets over to them! Oh what have I done! Help me Newt!Help me Sarah!

[mojitojoe]

SoCon Pubbie who just can’t let it friggin’ go. Give it up dude
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He can’t. It’s called obsessive compulsive disorder or( I want to see o bama re-elected)

[AnTiw1]

I think I’ve discovered an interesting twist on fund drives.

1. Go ahead and have a Night of the Long Knives...kick every RomneyZombie to the curb.

2. Charge...oh...$100 for a kicked ISP# to retread. Because a RINO just can’t live knowing conservatives exchange even the time of day eithout their trollfluence sitting right in the middle. Then $200 for a re-re, $300 for a re-re-re, etc.

Go ahead. It’s a sick need for them. Might as well profit from it, and it’s $100 that won’t see a Romney warchest.

They should do a study on how people formerly ptofessing conservatism decide to accept one spoonful of liberalism out of expediency, and then go from zero to Alinski faster than Obama chews the chitlins from a Schnauzer.

It’s political Crack.

[SZonian]

By enemy, you mean the e-GOP right?

The same ones who are promoting the abortion loving, pro-0bamacare, anti-2nd Amendment, liberal judge appointing RINO from Mass., or is it Mich., or is it Utah?

The sames one who vilify any Conservative who dares to stand his/her ground against the “party”?

The same ones who claim that any Conservative with a conscience who doesn’t vote for Romney will be responsible for the destruction of America?

Just a friendly reminder, the home page declares, unequivocally that this is a CONSERVATIVE site, not a Republican one.

FRegards.

[SZonian]

"95% of Freepers think..."

Oooh, did you conduct a survey or something?

[Deb]

Drat! The underpants work everytime. Sarah may have a pointy bra that counteracts the effects of the magic undies, but its risky.

WAIT!!! Newt has sparkle panties from Tiffany that could reverse the Mormon Magic!!! No good, Calista won't give them up.

We must think of something!

[Finny]

Whoever is the Republican nominee, will receive my vote.

Those were the good ol' days when it worked that way. Sadly I must acknowledge the reality as it has evolved in the Republican party. And it makes me realize that this 2012 primary is just Part II of the 2008 primary, and this time, ace-in-the-hole Palin is out of game for Romney; if she joined him, she'd be negating her own credibility.

Listen, my vote, like your vote, is an oar in the water. That's all it is, and not to use it would be dereliction. Facing up to facts, I see that we've reached the point where voting Republican requires me to vote against my own self-interest morally and financially. Voting for the Republican is as absurd as voting for the Democrat -- the only reason I'm given to vote that way is sheer panic and desperation to avoid Obama. It's a fact of life that people do stupid things when they react out of panic.

So I've got this oar in the water and the duty to use it. I know how I'm voting if it comes to R v O. It will be a third alternative, a viable alternative, risky but the ONLY alternative.

I'm going to vote to make liberalism weaker: I'm going to vote AGAINST both of them, and use my oar to direct a rightly course. As far as I'm conserned, rejecting Romney is a little bit like sculling. It's as nuts to vote for Romney as it is to vote for Obama. Sorry, that's the hard-core truth.

So we'll see whether or not Obama really is as awesomely Oz-like as Rally-Round-Romney Chicken Littles think he is. He's a little man behind the curtain.

[svcw]

Please provide a link to that poll you are referencing.
If it is true then those 5% who are supporting that liberal called Romney aren’t thinking, which makes sense.

[Finny]

I forgot — I pinged DO because of his perfect way of putting it: Romney is a bridge too far. Forget him.

[Finny]

I think ol' pappy Padre is one of two things:

1. Sincerely shocked to see true conservative Republicans saying "the crap stops here -- Romney's out" and turning away because it's a bridge too far.

2. A paid or motivated agent of the GOP.

[ladyvet]

Drat! The underpants work everytime. Sarah may have a pointy bra that counteracts the effects of the magic undies, but its risky. WAIT!!! Newt has sparkle panties from Tiffany that could reverse the Mormon Magic!!! No good, Calista won't give them up. We must think of something!

I got it! Let's just write any ones name at the top of the ticket because only some of us are patriots standing on our principles,not like those traitors in swing states that are just trying to keep that b*stard from another four years so we can live to fight another day and get off our butts and do it better next time! Obama have another four years! Yeah, that will work!

[Finny]

If you were a true Patriot in full-blown panic mode, you’d vote for Forrest Gump if it would get that Marxist Muslim out of the White House.

There. Fixed it for you.

[svcw]

THX 1138

[Deb]

That’s IT!!! You solved it!! High-five!!!!

[Finny]

Anybody working to get Obama re-elected is the enemy.

Equally true for anybody working to get Romney elected.

It's because the enemy is liberalism.

[ladyvet]

That’s IT!!! You solved it!! High-five!!!!

I would high five ya back with the goon squads high five graphic but....they have enough to think about...like how they were a major factor in the downfall.

[Finny]

Romney will not be so supported by the press. From his first day in office, they’ll become that mysteriously OPPOSITE media, the “opposition press”, as if nothing has changed since the administration of George W Bush. Romney will be lucky to last four years.

Perhaps, a slim chance. On the other hand, the press will be very supportive of Democrats who reach across the aisle and are bipartisan with Republican Romney on all his big-government solutions. A whole lotta Republicans are going to swing left right along with the Party's newest WINNER!

Judging by Romney's record and by the behavior of his core supporters, he is every bit as capable of tyranny and progressivism as Obama, and rightly move as if he was authorized by Republican voters to be that way. Romney is arrogant and ruthless. The real Romney is as risky as Obama.

[Finny]

Obama must go and FR needs to focus on that like a laser beam.

Wrong. Laser-beams' narrow focus makes for overall blindness, as you've exemplified here.

[Finny]

Spend your time tearing down o bama.

I don't know about others, but I already know how disgusting Obama is, and I already know that nobody here is "for" Obama. Complaining about Obama is kind of irrelevant: he's a bad dude getting worse. So stipulated.

There's an elephant in the room that a lot of Republicans are straining not to see: that voting Republican has become for many of us counter-productive. Some of us calculate by Romney's record that he's such a bad risk he's worse than Obama. He had a documented record of embracing the very things we've been steadfastly voting Republican all these years, to oppose!!! The bridge has gone too far. Forget it. Like it or not, it's the way it is.

I like Free Republic because I see so many smart folks spending good time identifying, analyzing, and trying to work out options and solutions with regard to that elephant in the room. A thread bashing Obama is old news.

[greyfoxx39]

Raider Sam has leaped into the great blue zot beyond...awww..someone evidently saw his nasty attacks against other FReepers!

[ladyvet]

Raider Sam has leaped into the great blue zot beyond...awww..someone evidently saw his nasty attacks against other FReepers!

Too bad we couldn't see what was so nasty that he got Zotted for. This makes you happy? What the hell is wrong with you?

[Finny]

The report could have been made “exposing” Newt, Perry, Herman Cain or anyone. All ya need is dedication to distortion and misinformation.

When all else fails, default to the Moral/Factual Equivalency strategy to justify a stinking liberal GOP turd's entitlement to the the worthy Republican vote.

So you think if anybody did enough digging, they'd be able to "smear" Newt, Perry, and Cain as having longstanding records of pushing government controlled health care on the people with $50 abortion on demand, and have supported activist gay organizations to go into middle schools for "Gay Youth Pride" and all of them, even Newt (who was the most eloquent voice AGAINST Al Gore's global warming in senate hearings -- you can see it yourself on you-tube), are staunch believers in the global warming ecotyranny premise, and Newt, Perry and Cain have documented records of appointing overwhelmingly liberal activist judges.

You had the nerve to call somebody else here a "leftist hack"? Deb, YOU are a Liberal Republican hack.

[Finny]

By willingly joining the Romney ranks, you won’t change it... It will change you.

Amen Brother FReeper.

[ejonesie22]

The zotting of anyone pro Romney attacking or insulting real conservatives here on FR is a happy event.

We may have to vote for the SOB (or not) but it doesn't mean we are going to roll over like several here seem to expect. That is exactly what the GOP powers that be are used to from the rank and file...

[Finny]

Deb's derision of the Falcon party: The FALCONS will save us!!!!! VOTE BIRDBRAIN!!!!

Pretty rich coming from a mindset of folks who've delcared they'd vote for an orange juice can before they'd vote for Obama.

Voting for Romney would be AS STUPID as voting for an orange juice can.

[Finny]

OMG!!! There is a Mormon repellant at Walmart, I think, or you can get it online. God help you and your babies!!

You know what's super ironic, you sh*theel Hack, is that your post is the very kind of ugly, stupid, juvenile, trashy "wit" that gets (rightly) deleted on FR, and once it's gone, you can whine and cry all you want about how you, poor little thing, were censored on Fwee Wepubwic because people didn't like your stance on Romney, wa-aaa-aaaah!

I tell you, the behavior of a candidate's supporters speaks volumes about the candidate. Romney's people as usual being sh*theel hacks.

Once again, as in 2008, I pray that God delivers us from Romney and that Romney loses. He is bad news for everybody.