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If the Republican party couldn't get Bush elected without Conservative support, do you think the next candidate would have been less or more Conservative? Yes, we got Bush elected, and then he proceded to join with the Republicans and the Democrats to shape the nation that was handed off to Barack Obama. Tell me this destroys my arguments here. Well, you can't.

This is a major part of the problem in my view. The elder Bush gave us a more expensive government, then lost to Clinton. Dole - lost to Clinton. George W. Bush - gave us the biggest, most expensive, most powerful, and most intrusive government in our nation's history, and then with the help of McCain handed it off to Obama to abuse even more.

Obama looked at how Bush made the government more powerful and more intrusive, and decided he could make it even more powerful and more intrusive.

This is what voting for the GOP has gotten us since 1988 - more government which we then gave to the Democrats, and Romney is just more of the same, only a lot more liberal.

I'm with you, I'm done with the GOP as a party if Romney gets the nomination. The Republican Presidential nominees have done great harm to this country since 1988, and we are running out of time. This idea that things will eventually improve if we just bend over one more time is ridiculous. The Republican establishment is running out the clock on us, and we aren't willing to call a time out.

I agree with your thinking here. I like how you addressed it.

Another way of looking at it is this.

When a Democrat is installed, they put their heart and soul into turning this nation to the Left. They’re not bashful about it. They push with all their might.

When a Republican is installed, they put their heart and soul into keeping the nation in place. Oh they may talk about some good moves, but they rarely do anything to make them become a reality. Instead they even propose Leftist gems and put them into law.

Until we get some presidents in there who will push for rolling back Leftist legislation with all their might, we going nowhere. Strike that, we’re going to lurch and slip to the Left just like we have been.