Where Do Conservatives Go Now? Part 2 (Don’t Get Suckered into Supporting the Republican Party)

Conservative HQ ^ | 19 Apr 12 | Richard A. Viguerie

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with your premise of trotting out a guy ‘just not as bad’ as the guy running for the Dems.

(I phrased this next comment poorly)

Let’s hope you’re wrong about the 2012 vs 2020 thing. I’m not convinced of that. Meant that I’m not convinced you are wrong,

D1

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you Trisham. I appreciate it.

[katiedidit1]

Memories of Newt as Speaker of the House vs Clinton.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for the discussion. I know some of this is rather pointed, but I'm not upset with you. I'm just frustrated by what we are continually faced with every four years. I want it to stop.

Thank you as well. It is unfortunate that conservatives who are ultimately all on the same side often can't seem to disagree reasonably over what amounts to a difference in strategy rather than a difference in principle.  I generally agree with that, but it's not entirely off base to question where some advocacies germinate from.  If my perception is that a advocated policy might further the desires of Leftists in my own party vs the Leftists in another party, it isn't all that unreasoned to come to the conclusion that Leftists are still going to be the benificiary of that advocacy.  That doesn't mean the advocate realizes the ramifications of everything his advocacy may support in the long run.  And then again, it doesn't mean they don't.

I'm actually frustrated by those who chose not to run. He was not a perfect candidate, but Mitch Daniels was certainly more conservative than Romney, and right on all the issues even if he generally eschews red-meat rhetoric.  I share some of that frustration, but we don't know all things about people.  He may have a good reason for not wanting to run.

I'm just crossing my fingers that we make it to 2016 without things going beyond repair, when we'll hopefully have a much more conservative candidate.  Frankly, I'd like to see a majority enter the Republican Convention this year demanding the whole thing be tossed out on it's ear, and someone new be drafted.  IMO, that's the greatest most patriotic thing that Santorum and Gingrich could do right now.  They should form an exploratory committee and come up with a strategy and some names.  Sorry Newt, no way...  You had your chance and it wasn't you.

Failing that, we have got to start a Conservative coalition that will end the Republican party's lock on the nomination process.  It's past time for a civil war in the Republican party.

[Windflier]

You make do with the hand you are dealt.

Yeah, that louse, Benedict Arnold, is all we've got left....sigh. I guess we'll just have to vote for him and hope for better luck next time.

[Windflier]

I dislike Romney but he is better than another Obama term.

You can't make the case that "Romney is better than Obama" if you judge him solely on his record, which is indistinguishable from any liberal Democrat's.

Vote for that snake oil salesman if you must, but just know that he will become the de facto leader of the Republican party, and a Republican dominated Congress will not oppose his liberal agenda with anywhere near the force that they'd lock arms in opposition against Obama.

In fact, if history is any guide (GWB), the Congress will roll over for him like a puppy.

Take a good hard look at those dynamics and ask yourself which scenario is preferable.

[katiedidit1]

The republicans are in a good position to take control of the senate. IF we maintain control of the house and gain in the senate it will be a win (if the republicans stick to conservative strengths) without Romney. Conservatives could block Obama and the dems legislation. I say fight for the republicans in your states and districts but do not cave to the republican establishment in their selection of Romney.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/race-ratings/85743-race-ratings

SENATE

Democratic Seats (23)

Safe Democratic: (8)
Feinstein (Calif.)
Carper (Del.)
Cardin (Md.)
Klobuchar (Minn.)
Menendez (N.J.)
Gillibrand (N.Y.)
Whitehouse (R.I.)
Sanders (Vt.)

Likely Democratic: (6)
Lieberman (Conn.) - OPEN
Akaka (Hawaii) - OPEN
Stabenow (Mich.)
Casey (Pa.)
Cantwell (Wash.)
Kohl (Wis.)

Lean Democratic: (4)
Nelson (Fla.)
McCaskill (Mo.)
Brown (Ohio)
Manchin (W.Va.)

Toss-up: (5)
Tester (Mont.)
Nelson (Neb.)
Bingaman (N.M.) - OPEN
Conrad (N.D.) - OPEN
Webb (Va.) - OPEN

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Republican Seats (10)

Safe Republican: (5)
Lugar (Ind.)
Wicker (Miss.)
Corker (Tenn.)
Hatch (Utah)
Barrasso (Wy.)

Likely Republican: (3)
Kyl (Ariz.) - OPEN
Snowe (Maine)
Hutchison (Texas) - OPEN

Lean Republican: (0)

Toss-up: (2)
Brown (Mass.)
Ensign (Nev.)

HOUSE

Democratic Seats (27)

Races To Watch:(3)
Carnahan (Mo.-03)
Wu (Ore.-01)
Rahall (W.Va.-3)
Toss-up: (5)
Barrow (Ga.-12)
Kissell (N.C.-08)
Heinrich (N.M.-01)
Sutton (Ohio-13)
Altmire (Pa.-04)

Lean Democratic: (10)
McNerney (Calif.-11)
Donnelly (Ind.-2)
Chandler (Ky.-06)
Peters (Mich.-09)
McIntyre (N.C.-07)
Bishop (N.Y.-01)
Owens (N.Y.-23)
Schrader (Ore.-05)
Matheson (Utah-02)
Connolly (Va.-02)

Likely Democratic: (9)
Giffords (Ariz.-08)
Himes (Conn.-04)
C. Murphy (Conn.-05) - OPEN
Loebsack (Iowa-02)
Boswell (Iowa-03)
Peters (Mich.-09)
Walz (Minn.-01)
Shuler (N.C.-11)
Critz (Pa.-12)

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Republican Seats (27)

Races to Watch: (4)
Crawford (Ark.-01)
Heck (Nev.-03)
Rigell (Va.02)
Hurt (Va.-5)

Toss-up: (10)
West (Fla.-22)
Walsh (Ill.-08)
Dold (Ill.-10)
Schilling (Ill.-17)
Buerkle (N.Y.-25)
B. Johnson (Ohio-06)
Fitzpatrick (Pa.-08)
Barletta (Pa.-11)
Duffy (Wis.-07)
Farenthold (Texas-27)

Lean Republican: (8)
Ellmers (N.C.-02)
Rivera (Fla.-25)
Bass (N.H.-02)
Grimm (N.Y.-13)
Cravaack (Minn.-08)
Rehberg (Mont.-AL) - OPEN
Runyan (N.J.-03)
Canseco (Texas-23)

Likely Republican: (5)
Berg (N.D.-AL)
Pearce (N.M.-01)
Lee (N.Y.-26) - OPEN
Herrera Beutler (Wash.-03)
McKinley (W.Va.-01)

[af_vet_rr]

A Right leaning/Conservative Congress can easily remain united behind an Obama re-election....whereas the same Congress will be sliced and diced by the RINOS if Romney is in the White House.

I am glad others see this. Romney and Obama are both bad for the country. Romney will get his agenda pushed through because he will have both Democrats and RINOs in Congress supporting him, and he will appoint the same types of people that he surrounded himself with as Governor. We are in a bad shape - both Romney and Obama want to take us to socialism, one just wants to do it a little slower.

[hattend]

You can't make the case that "Romney is better than Obama" if you judge him solely on his record

I'm judging Obama's record.

Who are you voting for?

[greyfoxx39]

Excellent, DoughtOne. Thank you.

[dragnet2]

I was done with the big insiders party years ago, when I realized the Rs and Ds are all riding in the same limo.

How many times can Americans be lied to and BS’d?

America needed a 2nd party since Bush’s second term.

[elpadre]

Obama will destroy this nation even with A Republican Congress. He will appoint far lefties to the courts, he will dismantle our national defense, he will turn every department into a center of socialist activism, he will increase the number in poverty thereby securing his base, he will destroy small businesses in favor of large corporations who depend on government largess, he will make the US subservient to the UN, and on and on. Give him another four years, and the USA will truly be a third world nation, regardless of who has the House and Senate. Anyone who supports Obama because they don't like Romney is acting against the best interests of the nation and selling our kids into a life of misery.

Romney may not be all that we want but he will do none of the above. And, with a strong conservative Congress he will more than likely follow suit IMO

I will enthusiastically support whomever the Republican nominee is and I pray everyone on FR will do the same.

[onyx]

Thanks very much for the ping to D-1’s excellent post.

This ugly primary isn’t yet over. Romney hasn’t yet successfully bought the nomination he’s insatiably lusting for, but he’s close and he’s managed to get some nationally known TEA Party elected officer holders to support him in a call for “Party unity.”

This is not the time for “Party unity,” -— it is the time for TEA Party conservatives to rebel! Vote for Newt Gingrich is all the remaining primaries, keep praying and then, take the convention by storm!

I remain praying for Divine Intervention and short of that, praying for strength and resolve that somehow, someway, TEA Party Patriots a whole lot smarter than me, will come forth with a plan to stop Romney!

God help us save our Republic.

[dragnet2]

I will enthusiastically support whomever the Republican nominee is and I pray everyone on FR will do the same.

People like you must have the political equivalent of the battered wives syndrome.

Ya keep getting lied to, raped and beat up and ya keep coming back for more.

[ichabod1]

That’s the thing - if conservatives want the republicans to stop playing big tent, they need to take over the party. Or find a way to destroy the two party system - which would be great!

[Windflier]

I'm judging Obama's record.

Sorry, but that logic doesn't bear up to even casual scrutiny. You have got to vet the candidate you're actually placing your vote for.

Have you done that? If you have, how can you in good conscience cast that vote?

As to my vote, Newt Gingrich has that, as long as he's on the Texas ballot when we vote. If Romney clinches the nomination, I will write-in another choice, or abstain from voting for president.

I'm done giving my solemn vote to RINOs and assorted frauds. I'd rather stand and fight against a sworn enemy, than place my trust in a quisling betrayer like Romney.

[Windflier]

Romney may not be all that we want but.....

Your faith in this quisling is sad and pitiable. I'd rather face up to what he is right now, than in three years time, when he's advanced Obama's agenda into rock solid permanence.

You're unlikely to fight someone posing as a team mate, but you will oppose an avowed enemy with everything you've got.

That is the simplicity of the thing.

[Windflier]

Romney hasn’t yet successfully bought the nomination he’s insatiably lusting for, but he’s close and he’s managed to get some nationally known TEA Party elected officer holders to support him in a call for “Party unity.”

This is not the time for “Party unity,” — it is the time for TEA Party conservatives to rebel!

Amen, sister!

[hattend]

Well, if it’s illogical to vote against a candidate running on a 4 year old socialist record whose sole intent is to destroy the US, financially and spiritually, so be it.

Palin’s not running so my candidate is long gone. It won’t help to write her name in unless 60 million others are going to do the same thing.

It’s ABO for me.

[doug from upland]

Remove Obama for fraud? We have been through impeachment before. As you know, it takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict and remove from office. A nice idea, but it will never happen.

I don’t particularly like Romney, but if Obama gets elected, he will complete the destruction of this country. That may be acceptable to you, but it is not acceptable to me.