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To: PapaBear3625; ngat; justice14
If there was an empty chamber, an ejected shell, and a non-empty magazine....

The expended brass was still in the chamber. Gun never cycled, indicating Trayvon had a strong grip on it, preventing the slide from cycling.

Someone pointed out that seizing a gun like that is a grappling skill taught in prison, among other places .... it will absolutely prevent a revolver from firing.

50 posted on 04/20/2012 9:23:18 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
Someone pointed out that seizing a gun like that is a grappling skill taught in prison, among other places .... it will absolutely prevent a revolver from firing.

I also was taught to grab an opponent's gun that way during a class on weapons retention and disarming techniques. Among other things, you have more leverage than the guy holding the gun at the grip. If Trayvon grabbed the gun there, what he failed to do was use his superior leverage to immediately POINT THE GUN AWAY FROM HIMSELF.

55 posted on 04/21/2012 4:55:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: lentulusgracchus

“The expended brass was still in the chamber.”

That’s just contrary to the reports that said the chamber was empty and the shell that was fired had been ejected, which is what the whole discussion was based on. Changing the facts that the discussion is predicated on renders the discussion meaningless.

“seizing a gun like that.... will absolutely prevent a revolver from firing.”

seizing a gun like what will keep a revolver from firing? like with a grip on the barrel across the top of the slide attempting to prevent the slide from blowing back when the first shot is fired? but a revolver has no slide. And how would your undescribed grip absolutely keep a semi-automatic from firing? did you mean, from firing more than once?


56 posted on 04/21/2012 6:04:37 AM PDT by ngat
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