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[JediJones]

Plus the likelihood of conflict increases with Obama exponentially. The choices suck, but this one issue trumps them all for me.

How so? Romney knows as little about the military as Obama did when he became President. Romney will almost certainly go exactly where the polls tell him to go on military intervention, which is basically what Obama's doing. Our enemies are our enemies, so they're going to attack us no matter who's president, and in that case the polls will probably support us going to war, at least if we "bomb from the air" like Clinton, Obama support and no doubt Romney would make his only acceptable battle plan. Would definitely be curious to hear anyone explain what Romney would do differently militarily than Obama.

[Colofornian]

My son will be old enough to join the military soon, and I would rather have Mitt than Obama as CIC. Plus the likelihood of conflict increases with Obama exponentially.

Romney's so gullible, he can't even accurately define the world religion of Christianity...As pointed out on this thread from today, he -- and other Mormon leaders -- think of Christians the same way Muslims do...to Muslims, Christians are "infidels"...to Mormons, Christians are apostates:

See: The Apostasy [What Lds believe re: Christians: Label us 'apostates' like Islam calls us 'infidels']

What does all of this have to do with foreign policy and and international discernment? If Romney can't even accurately define Christianity, how vulnerable to deception will he be with Islam???

[Norm Lenhart]

You misunderstand me. I will not vote for Obama or Romney. Ever. I’m 100% for uprooting the Rinos and 100% in Jim’s camp.

[precisionshootist]

"What if President Romney appoints a liberal to the Supreme Court?"

Well that's possible but there will be tremendous pressure for on him to nominate a strict constructionist.

Obama on the other hand will without question nominate the most radical liberal progressive he can possibly find.

So this is a no brainer, nothing to even think about. Romney is the clear choice between the two.

I don't get the feeling you are thinking this way but this idea we'd be better off with four more years of Obama over Romney is just bull headed foolishness. No other way to explain it.

[Colofornian]

Well that's possible but there will be tremendous pressure for on him to nominate a strict constructionist.

(Yeah, right...from a pro-life perspective, your statement is difficult to prove ...why do I say that? Well, Romney advocated the "right" for parents to give ("donate") their offspring to "research..."...He did this during a Katie Couric interview...December, 2007...You would think that conservatives would have held his feet to the fire for making such an absurd, schizophrenic statement...since he claimed he had undergone a "pro-life conversion" three years prior to that...but, no...hardly anything...and basically NOTHING from the Republican powers-that-be...)

Also, Romney has assumed three separate positions on treating homosexuals as minority-class status...First, he was for it...Then against it...Then he assumed a third position -- to allow states to do that...

Romney is so "all over the board" on so many issues...He cannot be trusted...

[rcrngroup]

At least if Obama wins we know our House will unite to stop him from doing liberal things solely for political gain.

I wish that were the case. We/conservatives/the GOP won an overwhelming victory in Nov 2010 at the House level and 34 states (or something like that) flipping over to the GOP. Unfortunately Boner(Boehner) became the majority party (Repub) speaker of the House, and has proceeded to promptly piss away every bit of momentum & majority party status. As much as I hate 0dumb0, he has won every battle against the House GOP since Nov 2010. Boner is a complete cowardly incompetent imbecile, and 0dumb0 has played him for a chump, in winning battle with the House since Nov 2010. The debt ceiling increase of $2.4 Trillion is a classic example of giving everything to 0dumb0 and getting nothing in return. Boner could have drawn the line in the sand and demanded no debt ceiling increase and a $1 Trillion spending reduction in 2011-12, but didn't have the balls to do so. Unfortunately the House GOP and Senate GOP only seem to be marginally effective when they are in the minority. At which time, 0dumb0 & the dems steamroll everything over the GOP. I think we're screwed no matter who wins at this time.

[CottShop]

[[Would you have rathered 4 years of Carter]]

We’re NOT talking Jimmy carterp- We’re talkign abotu 4 more years of someoen MUCH MUCH more evil and anti-American than Carter ever thought of being if everyoen just throws their hands i nthe air and says ‘Romeny can’t win so there’s no sense even goign out to vote-’ or ‘romeny isn’t my ideal candidate, and espouses thigns I don’t agree with, so therefore it’s better to not vote’- both of these scenarios ensures another 4 more years of thwem ost evil president we’ve ever haqd or ever will have mostl ikely

Let’s not forget- Not that I’m stickign up for romeny- or tryign to defend his compromises, but he governed in a VERY liberal state, and in oder to get anythign through that he wanted to, He no doubt had to compromise-

[[If you don’t stand on principles, why are you voting at all?]]

I will vote because I AM standign on my principles- and because I also realize that even htough romeny iswn’t a good candidate, he’s the ONLY chance we have of defeating someone MUCH MUCH worse- I hate the fact that romeny is our only choice- I much woudl rather msot anyone else be the candidate- but that’s not how the cards have palyed out unfortunately

[[Not to mention, if we DID find a 3rd party conservative candidate who became as prominent as Ross Perot, they probably WOULD stand a much better chance of being elected than Perot did.]]

too many epopel wouldn’t vote a non traditional candidate- I’m afraid- I’d be all for a 3’rd party IF they actually stood a chance- I hate hte fact that the GOP has slid so far to the left- but a vote for a third party is no different than not voting at all- it’d be one less vote obama had to worry about agaisnt him

[CottShop]

[[Not to mention, there’s a chance John Huntsman makes it onto that Americans Elect ticket on all 50 ballots.]]

I don;t know too much abotu huntsman- I did see him on fox one night, and liked what he said- I wish you were right though- He can’t be as bad as romney- and I’d jumop at hte chace to suipport him over romeny- I hate that romney is hte only chocie we have- but it’s better I guess than no chocie at all

[CottShop]

[[JimRob made it very clear that support for Romney WILL NOT BE GIVEN from this forum, nor be permitted here.]]

Well then I guess you better run to Jim Rob and turn me right in gthere INVAR- and to be frank about it- I’m not really interested in being a part of any forum where our voices are not allowed-

[[You make the entire case that no matter what - Conservatives are going to be blamed for Romney’s loss to Obama if he is the nominee,]]

No Invar- that is NOT what I said- my case is that conservatives that refuse to vote for the ONLY chance to defeat obama (no matter how crappy a chance it is) may be what decides whether obama has 4 more years

[[We refuse to buy the argument that not voting for Romney re-elects Obama,]]

you can refuse all you want, but ross perot cost george bush votes that may very well have got him the election- there is statistivcal evidence that votign third party benifits the left- and every vote tha is htrown away is one less vote obama has to worry about

[[If you and the rest of the Romneybots don’t like that]]

What are you 12 years old?
I understand your passion is high on this issue- but if you are goign to resort to gradescghool insults- I’ll simply ignore your future psots

[Maynerd]

The US allied with Stalin to defeat Hitler. Romney’s a lot better than Stalin.

I’m voting for whomever can beat Obama. If it’s not Romney, please give me a viable alternative. Staying home righteously indignant on election day is not a constructive solution.

Sadly, the FR is at risk of becoming marginalized and irrelevant.

[CottShop]

[[Romney’s already a loser...and the GOP-e — not us — picked the loser...]]

That’s the spirit-

[[If the GOP-e wanted to — for a change of pace — consider its base & who we would support, it wouldn’t have given us Romney. ]]

True- but they didn’t- an it is what it is- and we have to try to make hte best of a crappy siturtion- or at least we should isntead of declarign everything is hopeless

[[...but seared your conscience forever...

...you’ve permanently lost ANY ground upon which to criticize ANY big-government/socialized boondoggle...having supported a big-govt socialist boondoggle candidate yourself...]]

Let’s make oen htign clear here- I don’t support romeny- I support voting obama who is MUCH MUCH worse than romeny out of office for all the reasons I’ve previously stated-

Let’s say that you know of a boss who is abusing employees- is brutal, cruel, hates his employees, and does whatever he can to make life miserable for them- and let’s say that life has becoem unbearable under that boss- now let’s say a person is running to replace that boss- and is the only choice we’ve got to replace that boss but hwo isn’t everythign we had hooped for- woudl it be better to keep the abusive cruekl boss inplace? Or go with htel esser of two evils for the sake of easing some of he cruelty agaisnt the abused employees?

We KNOW for a FACt that udner obama- millions have lost hteir jos, businesses have had such strict regulations put on them that htey’ve had to fire people, folsk havel ost hteir homes and are out on the streets, and that that whole families are lving o nthe streets duwe to losding hteir homes thanks to a far left socialist liberal who couldn’t give two craps abotu them- Is it ethical to abstain from voting and keeping a known antiamerican out of touch chicago thug in office? Or shoudl we try to at the very leaqst lessen the abuse by voting in a different boss even if they aren’t optimal if it’;s the oly real chance we have to get the current thiug out of office?

you talk abotu conscience beign seared- Yet apparently you’rs wouldn’;t be seared IF obama were to get another 4 years, and it was shown statistically that had mroe conservatives simpyly held hteir noses and voted romeny then he wouldn’t have gaiend another 4 years?

I;m sorry, but I don’;t understand how leavign someone so brutally and blatantly antiamerican in office is better than gettign someone in who at least does have soem conservative values- obama has none- zero- zip- nada- Hell, he isn’;t even proud of this country!

I just dont get it-

[JediJones]

Let’s not forget- Not that I’m stickign up for romeny- or tryign to defend his compromises, but he governed in a VERY liberal state, and in oder to get anythign through that he wanted to, He no doubt had to compromise

Not an adequate excuse at all. That's akin to a German Nazi soldier saying they were "just following orders." Look at Newt or Allen West. When they get redistricted into a liberal district, they don't change their policies in order to hold onto power for selfish reasons, they get up and move their home to a conservative district and run there. They are interested in promoting conservative policies. It wouldn't make any sense to them to change their principles just so they could hold onto their title.

Everything we know about Mitt says he was VERY happy promoting the policies he promoted in Massachusetts, not that he was unhappily caving in to someone else's demands.

Because I believe that Mitt's type of "leadership" will lead to a Democrat revolution in Congress in 2014 and a new Democrat presidency in 2016, I think it's bad strategy to vote for him. The Democrats are in such a bad position in Congress this year that I don't think they can win Congress even if Obama wins. And if Obama wins, Tea Partiers will show up big in 2014 to vote in more conservatives to oppose him. Then we get another chance to elect a conservative president in 2016.

[JediJones]

Also, with the economy doing so bad, Obama really doesn’t have a mandate from the public to do whatever he wants to do on other issues. I also think the Tea Party strategy going forward has to incorporate much more APPEALING TO THE PUBLIC than simply trying to get candidates elected. The Tea Party has to find a way to take their case to the public. If the public demands more conservative policies loudly enough, they can make almost any elected official cave in to their demands. And if the public ISN’T behind what the Tea Party wants, we can rant and rave as a small minority all we want, maybe win a few elections, but never make any lasting change happen.

[CottShop]

[[Look at Newt or Allen West. When they get redistricted into a liberal district, they don’t change their policies in order to hold onto power for selfish reasons, they get up and move their home to a conservative district and run there.]]

I woudl love it IF Newt were the nominee- you have no idea how much I don’t want romeny to be our only chance against obama- but again- it is what it is- And Yes, I agree with you that romeny did sell his soul in order to govern in mass- however, Are we to beleive he didn’t pass ANY conservative measures in office at all? Some is better than none- especially in a state that is really really liberal-

[[Because I believe that Mitt’s type of “leadership” will lead to a Democrat revolution in Congress in 2014 and a new Democrat presidency in 2016, I think it’s bad strategy to vote for him]]

I beleive it’s an even worse strategy to have obama in for 4 more years- it will be too damaging to this country- He has alreadty stated his intentions when he is ‘unleashed’ when he ‘gets reelected’ in his own words-

We have seen obama snjub his nose at the constitution, the supreme court, the church- business etc etc etc- and again, we only saw the tip of the iceberg as he ‘tested the waters’ to see how far he could push- IF reelected he will show outright contempt for constution, for the limited power of hte presidency- he will ignore his limits and do whatever hte hell he likes, and noone will try to stop him because it will come slowly and in pieces so that people aren;t aware their rights have been undone- Her’s a dangerous man- very dan gerous-

[[Then we get another chance to elect a conservative president in 2016.]]

Says who? it will be just more of the same- the gop will make sure some other dolt gets the nomination, and conservatkives will AGAIN refuse to vote for them- on and on it will go- UNLESS the teaparty can bring soething to the table- they had 3 years to do so, and all we really got was a woman whom the media knw they could defeat easily- (I’m not discounting hte great work the tea party did in getrting governors and senators elected who are truly better conservatives than what was in there- but in the presidential candidate department, they haven’;t got a good track record. Yes Sarah woudl have been the much betterchoice, but the media was not goign to allow her to win- The media decides who the nominees will be- and all to often, the choices are not very good- but we have to trry to make hte best of it

I wish God would give usw good and righteous kings so that our country could properly prosper again, but He isn’t, all we have is a poor choice to choose from- but in my mind, while it stinks, it’s still better than the blatant radical i nhtere right now

[CottShop]

[[Also, with the economy doing so bad, Obama really doesn’t have a mandate from the public to do whatever he wants to do on other issues.]]

I dissagree- this president is so arrogant that he doesnm’t give a damn what the public thinks- infact, he’s so arrogant, he looks hte public in hte eye and darwes them to stop him knowing full well the public will not

[[I also think the Tea Party strategy going forward has to incorporate much more APPEALING TO THE PUBLIC than simply trying to get candidates elected.]]

I agree-

[[And if the public ISN’T behind what the Tea Party wants, we can rant and rave as a small minority all we want, maybe win a few elections, but never make any lasting change happen.]]

I’m afraid that might be the case already- hopefully the teaparty can become stronger andm ore influential (althogh it did have quite a bit of influence in mid elections- hopefully that steam can continue althjough it seems to be wanign a bit)

[INVAR]

By the way I believe it was Newt who said he would support whoever wins the Republican Nomination.

Bully for Newt, Palin, Bachman and whatever other professional politician wants to dance with the Ruling Class.

I'm not one of them. I don't care if I am the ONLY person in the whole damn country who won't knuckle under and vote for Romney, I WON'T ever cast a vote for the slime.

He represents the enemy. I won't be voting him into power with my vote.

[INVAR]

That’s great,so what are you going to do when it comes time to vote for President?

I'll be voting for a staunch Conservative, and I am going to campaign for as many folks as I know to do the same. The GOP can go to hell where it belongs.

[INVAR]

I’m not really interested in being a part of any forum where our voices are not allowed-

Then you should leave. I guess you did not read JimRob's CLEAR statement about promoting Romney in any capacity on his forum.

Or if you did, you are choosing to ignore it.

my case is that conservatives that refuse to vote for the ONLY chance to defeat obama (no matter how crappy a chance it is) may be what decides whether obama has 4 more years

I do not buy the argument and you cannot convince me or others like me to buy into that scare-tactic. I will not abandon my principles and vote for treason to the same by voting for Romney in any capacity.

Obama was guaranteed 4 more years by the Ruling Class who ramrodded Romney down our throats, sabotaged every Conservative standing in his way. I won't accept the blame - EVER. You can KMA if you try to accuse us of such.

there is statistivcal evidence that votign third party benifits the left- and every vote tha is htrown away is one less vote obama has to worry about

That argument was blasted about in 2008 and many of us knuckled under the threat. We're not going to be insane and do the same thing in 2012 we did in 2008 and expect different results. Pound sand. If it's Romney in November, we're voting 3rd party or writing in our candidate. We do not care what you scare-mongering Romneybot RINOs think anymore. We're at war with those things anathema to our principles.

We're done rewarding RINOs. We're done with the GOP. May it go the way of the Whigs quickly. Conservatives need a new party to call home.

The GOP-e will have given us 4 more years of Obama by shoving Romney on us, Obama's chosen opponent - while the whole lot of the Ruling Class laughs their asses off at how stupid and gullible Republicans are to eat an excrement sandwich, and do so eagerly on the false notion that Obama gets dethroned.

[Redleg Duke]

You are an insensitive and sanctimonious jerk!

Do not waste my time with your self-righteous drivel!

[rodguy911]

I think I know exactly where you are coming from and I do respect your values. Of course we need a candidate who is much closer to our values and truth is we may not have him. Actions will always speak louder than words or hopefully in this case past deeds.ITs that endless search for Ronald Reagan again.How could anyone in good conscience stop searching for RR II?

In a way I seem to be caught between two worlds.Internally forced to support someone who really does not share my values to the degree that i would like but still far better than the other choice.

I understand you have made the compromise so much you are sick of it. For me I really can't go there. I'm hopeful that we light a fire under all rino butts and slowly but surely get rid of them. But the stakes are so high I am willing to do it incrementally,a little at a time just like the marxists are doing to us. For me "not to" oppose them every chance I get is not an option.

It's always great chatting with you.