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To: xzins; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
A true conversion ALWAYS has some sort of catalyst that triggers it. This may be a dramatic event like Paul's experience on the road to Damascus, or it may be a more drawn-out process where a person begins to question things and their beliefs change over a period of time. However, when a genuine conversion has a occurred, the person can typically explain what has transpired AND the change is obvious to people who have known them before and after.

There are many members of the pro-life movement who were once pro-death and we welcome and embrace them because we can see that, by God's grace, their hearts and minds have changed. These conversions are real and they are obvious.

Mitt Romney has had no such conversion. He was always pro-abortion until he decided to run for president six or so years ago and he realized that he had to say he was pro-life in order to win the GOP nomination. If he had experienced a real change he would talk about it, but he doesn't, he wants people to believe he has always been pro-life and this is a lie.

137 posted on 04/13/2012 7:19:42 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; onyx; P-Marlowe; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ...

Excellent post, wagglebee.

I would add this about conversion. You want to believe the person, and you want to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, you don’t make the convert the head of the department in which they formerly were grossly sinful.

For example, if I had a person in the church who’d had issue of embezzlement, and they converted, I would not put them in charge of church finances. I wouldn’t put a former pedophile in charge of the youth program.

Even the Apostle Paul left Jerusalem because it was too difficult for those he’d formerly hounded to death to deal with those memories. They didn’t put him in charge of pilgrim trips from Damascus to the Temple in Jerusalem.

Likewise, one so blatantly and viciously pro-abortion should not be put in charge of executing the laws of the land on that subject.

A case in point is that Romney distanced himself from anything gay during the 2008 campaign, but afterwards he again came out in favor of gay unions. IOW, he has a history of multiple “conversions” back and forth.


184 posted on 04/13/2012 8:50:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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Mitt Romney has had no such conversion. He was always pro-abortion until he decided to run for president six or so years ago and he realized that he had to say he was pro-life in order to win the GOP nomination. If he had experienced a real change he would talk about it, but he doesn't, he wants people to believe he has always been pro-life and this is a lie.

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Agreed. I hate to accuse someone of lying about being pro-life, but I fear that Romney has claimed that belief for purely expedient reasons. Someone posted a picture of Romney and his family yesterday or the day before, if I recall correctly, and the implication was that this was evidence that Romney is pro-life. But is it? I am unconvinced. His political record says not.

273 posted on 04/14/2012 8:51:24 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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