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Is the second-degree murder charge against George Zimmerman fair?
Crain's New York Business.com ^ | 4/11/2012

Posted on 04/12/2012 3:03:37 PM PDT by South40

Is the charge of murder in the Trayvon Martin case justified?

Yes. The charge allows the judicial process to move forward. A jury will determine whether Mr. Zimmerman acted in self-defense.

No. The special prosecutor didn’t cite any new evidence to justify sidestepping state law. This is a response to political pressure.

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1 posted on 04/12/2012 3:03:39 PM PDT by South40
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To: South40
Results at the time of this posting.


2 posted on 04/12/2012 3:06:09 PM PDT by South40 (Mitt is full of Shtt)
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To: South40

Isn’t that something that only he knows?


3 posted on 04/12/2012 3:06:17 PM PDT by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: South40

Fair and equal doesn’t matter any more.


4 posted on 04/12/2012 3:06:20 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: South40

Fair? As in when BushI caved in to the communists or even asked them for advice and help in quelling the riots?

FOOLS.

This is the same cowardly voices of “establishment” and “reasons” which will sell out like cowards this country to a bunch of “we want you to be successful, Islam is peace, Obama” retards.

Way to go RINOs.


5 posted on 04/12/2012 3:07:22 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: South40

What would be fair would be to give Zimmerman say a $10,000 award by crimestoppers or whatever for preventing many future armed robberies, rapes and murders.

Prosecuting him is a serious crime in of itself.


6 posted on 04/12/2012 3:07:22 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: South40

FReeped at 6:06pm...

Is the charge of murder in the Trayvon Martin case justified?
Yes. (63%, 141 Votes)
No. (37%, 94 Votes)

Total Voters: 223


7 posted on 04/12/2012 3:10:18 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: South40; 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; all the best; AmericaUnite; ...
FREEP THIS POLL ***PING!*** FRmail me if you want to be added or removed from the Fearless Poll-Freeping Freepers Ping list. And be sure to ping me to any polls that need Freepin', if I miss them. (looks like a medium volume list) (gordongekko909, founder of the pinglist, stays on the list until his ghost signs up for the list)
8 posted on 04/12/2012 3:16:44 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: South40

Fair?
Fair doesn’t come into it.
The charge is either right or wrong.
It is either based on legal evidence or it is based on politics.
My opinion based on KNOWN facts.
The charge is wrong and is based on politics.


9 posted on 04/12/2012 3:17:51 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: South40

The poll has flipped.


10 posted on 04/12/2012 3:19:33 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: South40

Hard to image that in this day and age this many people believe system actually works......
If the system worked the man would not have been charged. the police investigated and found no evidence to support an arrest.


11 posted on 04/12/2012 3:20:41 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: smokingfrog

Bump for more flipping votes.


12 posted on 04/12/2012 3:21:17 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: South40

There is a very old truism for the law that in controversies of life and death, the only real resolution can come by a fair trial. It was as true in the Old West as it is today.

The only way George Zimmerman will ever be truly free is to be found not guilty by a jury. There is no verdict of “innocent”, but that label may be applied by a court or a prosecutor if evidence comes to light that completely exonerates a person of the indictable offense.

That is, “They couldn’t have done it because they have an airtight alibi at a place far away from the scene of the crime.”

And “free” is relative. Like O.J. Simpson, he might be found not guilty, yet the Martin family may sue him for wrongful death, for which he could get a large fine assigned him.


13 posted on 04/12/2012 3:21:19 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: South40

Yes 47%, No 53% Total vote 311


14 posted on 04/12/2012 3:21:27 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: South40

I think that the entire matter is about money. There won’t be sufficient evidence for a criminal conviction, but that’s when the wrongful death suit will be filed against the HOA, and the City of Sanford. Should be worth a few million$$$.
(It’s redistribution of wealth and nobody really gives a damn about Trayvon). SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!


15 posted on 04/12/2012 3:23:03 PM PDT by sanjuanbob (Festina Lente)
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To: South40

The power of the Freep is starting to become apparent.


16 posted on 04/12/2012 3:23:32 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Irenic

Not with the advent of the internet, facebook, cell phones, twitter, photoshop and everyone carrying a camera with them. Most people nowadays carry more stuff to report the news as they see it, than professional reporters did, 40 yrs ago.


17 posted on 04/12/2012 3:23:59 PM PDT by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: South40

The police call audio of Zimmerman, sounds like he is the nicest guy you could ever meet.


18 posted on 04/12/2012 3:24:07 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (If you quit you don't get your miracle.)
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To: sanjuanbob

You’re right, both sides stand to profit from this.


19 posted on 04/12/2012 3:25:44 PM PDT by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: South40

There was a lot of pressure on this one from Obama and the federal government. The state was told they better do it or else. The black groups are threatening destruction. They have no regard for the law at all. And it is only going to get worse. They seek not justice, but injustice. Their motives are Racially motivated. If Zimmerman had been black then none of this would be happening.

The Obama administration and the liberal left, are loving this whole thing, as they use it to set up the elimination of common sense laws that allow citizens to protect themselves. And ultimately to even take away the right to bear arms.

Everything good and just in this country is being turned upside down and inside out. It was all planned long ago. Americans are too stupid to see or believe it. And the ones that do can do nothing about it. All we can do is sit back and watch our country self destruct.


20 posted on 04/12/2012 3:26:33 PM PDT by Revel
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To: South40

Zimmerman’s lawyer is accepting donations for his defense.

http://www.markomaralaw.com/


21 posted on 04/12/2012 3:26:46 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: South40

It has a much higher threshold of proof as it requires both motivation and per-meditation to some degree versus manslaughter.

The more I think about this, the more I think they may have done Zimmerman a favor by charging him.

Better be tried in courts than lynched by hooded racists in the dark of night.


22 posted on 04/12/2012 3:27:19 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: stuartcr

Doesn’t matter. If you are white—you are wrong. Film and take all the photos you like. Doesn’t matter. I am not scared to speak this any longer. I am done sitting back and paying for the sins of the past. Done.


23 posted on 04/12/2012 3:30:33 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: carriage_hill

Hmmm, this probably explains why I tend to only agree with around 63% of conservatives all the time.

I don’t mean to be glib, but honestly, charging Zimmerman with murder was the ONLY choice in this case. To ignore it would have been suicidal, politically, at least.

This way, the truth comes out. And the truth IS what counts here, right?


24 posted on 04/12/2012 3:33:43 PM PDT by ObamaMustGo2012 (Obama Must Go In 2012)
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To: South40

Yes. (38%, 157 Votes)
No. (62%, 253 Votes)

Total Voters: 411


25 posted on 04/12/2012 3:34:07 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: South40

Where is the choice for: Its a stupid choice?


26 posted on 04/12/2012 3:35:12 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: mnehring

Horse manure!

When is the last time you have seen someone lynched by hooded racists in the middle of the night?

I do recall a Black racist named OJ Simpson be cleared by a mostly Black jury despite overwhelming proof of his guilt.


27 posted on 04/12/2012 3:35:30 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: mnehring

[It has a much higher threshold of proof as it requires both motivation and per-meditation to some degree versus manslaughter.]

That’s why I don’t understand why they would go through with the indictment unles it was political. The motivation and premeditation is situationally a stretch. Then you have to consider a lack of a full eyewitness account, and what there is seems to indicate Martin on top of Zimmerman.

Tie goes to the runner.


28 posted on 04/12/2012 3:39:17 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: yarddog
When is the last time you have seen someone lynched by hooded racists in the middle of the night?

If there was a million dollar bounty on my head, I wouldn't worry about when it happened in the past but when it will happen to me.

29 posted on 04/12/2012 3:43:43 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Irenic

Who made you fearful?

I’m not wrong, nor fearful. Let the ‘hate whitey G*d d^mn America’ maggots burn and they will.


30 posted on 04/12/2012 3:44:55 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: DaxtonBrown

I don’t have answers, just speculation. Maybe there is evidence we don’t know about and we are all wrong? Hannity hinted something the other day about possible video evidence that we haven’t heard about. I don’t know. Just taking a guess.


31 posted on 04/12/2012 3:46:05 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: South40

Yes. The charge allows the judicial process to move forward. A jury will determine whether Mr. Zimmerman acted in self-defense. (34%, 164 Votes)

No. The special prosecutor didn’t cite any new evidence to justify sidestepping state law. This is a response to political pressure. (66%, 311 Votes)

Total Voters: 476


32 posted on 04/12/2012 3:51:41 PM PDT by matthew fuller (The Magic Mormon is now in position to re-elect the Magic Negro.)
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To: mnehring

Poor guy , How many hung jurys?


33 posted on 04/12/2012 3:58:54 PM PDT by maddogtiger
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To: mnehring

Poor guy , How many hung jurys?


34 posted on 04/12/2012 3:58:54 PM PDT by maddogtiger
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To: mnehring

Poor guy , How many hung jurys?


35 posted on 04/12/2012 3:58:54 PM PDT by maddogtiger
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To: dynachrome

No’s are up to 67%.


36 posted on 04/12/2012 4:12:14 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: South40; dynachrome

Yes. The charge allows the judicial process to move forward. A jury will determine whether Mr. Zimmerman acted in self-defense.
(32%, 173 Votes)

No. The special prosecutor didn’t cite any new evidence to justify sidestepping state law. This is a response to political pressure.
(68%, 375 Votes)

Total Voters: 549


37 posted on 04/12/2012 4:27:59 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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Click!

38 posted on 04/12/2012 4:37:08 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: ObamaMustGo2012

That is 100% correct, but that doesn’t matter at all to the race-baiter crowd, OMG2012.


39 posted on 04/12/2012 4:53:37 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: mnehring

IIRC, on the 911 tape Zimmerman said Marting was coming toward him?


40 posted on 04/12/2012 4:54:49 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: Irenic
Yep, the Zimmerman case is just another example of being prosecuted for "self-defense while white."

It's sad to see what this country is coming too.

41 posted on 04/12/2012 5:04:02 PM PDT by Left2Right (Starve the Beast!)
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To: South40

Is the charge of murder in the Trayvon Martin case justified?

Yes. The charge allows the judicial process to move forward. A jury will determine whether Mr. Zimmerman acted in self-defense. (30%, 185 Votes)
No. The special prosecutor didn’t cite any new evidence to justify sidestepping state law. This is a response to political pressure. (70%, 424 Votes)

Total Voters: 612


42 posted on 04/12/2012 5:27:27 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: TheOldLady
Great turnaround! It was 2-1 saying yes when I posted this and it's now 70% saying no. I just love that the media isn't going to get the results they were hoping for.

Gotta love the power of the FReep!

43 posted on 04/12/2012 5:35:38 PM PDT by South40 (Mitt is full of Shtt)
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To: South40

Indeed. FReepers rock!


44 posted on 04/12/2012 5:50:59 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Left2Right

*RANT*
It is VERY f-ing sad!

I have walked through it here on FR.

It was explained to me/us in post after post— how Florida isn’t racist because most people from Florida aren’t even from there. (the South)

From this we are to decipher that anybody from the South is innately racist and those Northern transports aren’t. No sir!

My stars and bars azz can be bitten—because that is such a bigoted statement all to itself. It is time for that storyline to go away, just as quickly as other bigoted issues. I am tired and I won’t stand for it any longer.

It was typed (forget who) how great and un-racist they were—because THEY were going to help their grateful to ‘be out of the dregs of society’ BLACK (African American)neighbor plant a garden, even LOAN a shovel!!! OMG!!!.

Black people are just like us, don’t you know. I would never have known that—it was foreign to my Southern self! *eye roll*

This non-racist person was even going to loan a shovel! A freaking shovel— you down South racist idiots! That is non-racism for you! Uh-huh. I am a chit-eating Southern racist who is about to grab the whore title.

I have always found claiming my ‘pal is black’ degrading and somehow racist in and of itself—as if someone has collected something unique and wtfever. I don’t play that card because my friend is my friend and the rest is nobody’s
business.

Whoredom here I am— my son grew up with the best there is in life. We had the best friends anyone could dream. It was the happiest days of my life.

My neighbors had a key to my house to drop the kids WAY early in the morning, the kids slept in the same bed as my kid. They licked the same durn popsicle,our kids did everything together. We were the call in case of emergency at the school for each other.

You give me Yankee white and Yankee black—they equally scare me. Most Southern blacks and whites love each other and there isn’t a difference to speak of. Only some color that stupid folk want to pretend about.

Just piss off yanks, leave us Southern folk to ourselves. We don’t need your fake *emotion* and crisis. LEAVE US ALONE! Keep your plastic crap up North!


45 posted on 04/12/2012 6:16:02 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

To be a good whore, our friends were black. I think I skipped that whoredom part.

I am stars and bars loving. OMG! Save us, Yanks!


46 posted on 04/12/2012 6:25:44 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: South40

Yes. The charge allows the judicial process to move forward. A jury will determine whether Mr. Zimmerman acted in self-defense. (29%, 192 Votes)

No. The special prosecutor didn’t cite any new evidence to justify sidestepping state law. This is a response to political pressure. (71%, 460 Votes)

Total Voters: 653


47 posted on 04/12/2012 7:44:53 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: South40

Is the charge of murder in the Trayvon Martin case justified?

Yes. The charge allows the judicial process to move forward. A jury will determine whether Mr. Zimmerman acted in self-defense. (29%, 192 Votes)

No. The special prosecutor didn’t cite any new evidence to justify sidestepping state law. This is a response to political pressure. (71%, 464 Votes)

Total Voters: 656


48 posted on 04/12/2012 8:03:56 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Like O.J. Simpson, he might be found not guilty, yet the Martin family may sue him for wrongful death, for which he could get a large fine assigned him.

While I think it is pretty unlikely, if Zimmerman does succeed in the "stand your ground" hearing, he becomes immune from civil suits over Trayvon's death.

49 posted on 04/12/2012 8:13:55 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: South40

It’s turned around now.


50 posted on 04/12/2012 8:23:07 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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