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Click here to pledge your support! ^ | April 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/11/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain in full rebellion mode for the duration!

No more Doles!! No more McCains!! No more RINOS!!

NO ROMNEY!!

Those who cannot stomach rebellion might as well start looking for a new home on the net!!

Those who have ignored my hundreds of posts on this crucial issue or who have doubted me these last three or four years might as well get used to it. FR will never support the abortionist, homosexualist, socialist, mandate loving, constitution trampling liar Mitt Romney.

In case you haven't noticed, a TEA Party rebellion is on and Free Republic signed on years ago. There is no turning back. No more crap from the GOP-e!! They've screwed us for the last time!! Karl Rove and Mitt Romney, et al, loathe conservatism and loathe the tea party and took it upon themselves to use their money and connections to destroy nearly every one of our conservative tea party candidates while pushing their big government RINOS. That makes them the enemy. I will not reward that betrayal by giving them my support or my vote.

FR is and will remain a pro-life, pro-limited government conservative site!!

We are beholden to NO ONE!! We bow to no kings!! We bow to NO RINOS!!

I'd rather fight and die like a man than bend over and be screwed by a RINO!! I refuse to kiss Karl Rove or Mitt Romney's rings!! They can kiss my rosy red ass instead!!

FUMR!! FUGOP!!

Long live the rebellion!!

Hope my message is clear.


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To: caww
...neither can win it by their agendas because neither are clear what that is to the public...

I was listening to NPR yesterday -- something I rarely do (stumbled upon it out driving)...some guy was interviewing a woman...and his question was along the lines that he didn't think Romney's positions were all that starkly distinct from Obama's...

(Now the woman disagreed on that, but even some of the NPR liberals are seeing this clearly: We have two mainstream liberals running for POTUS...where are they going to find enough liberals in this country to vote for either of them?)

1,151 posted on 04/12/2012 7:53:22 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: so_real
Romney is a progressive liberal...

Well, he can certainly be quoted, at times, to support that view. (And RomneyCare--which has a great deal in common with ObamaCare, despite some rather subtle differences) adds support to that position.

He can also be quoted to the right of center on the very same issues.

[T]he Romney supporters today (in my state Kenosha, Racine, and Milwaukee counties) will carry water for Obama in November.

Wisconsin is the quintessential "swing" state; much as Florida, Ohio, Colorado, and Iowa (to name just some) are also.

And although it is certainly true that most people do not cast their votes according to who is at the bottom of the ticket, just enough do take that into consideration to make it appealing for Gov. Romney to select Paul Ryan (if the latter can be persuaded to accept the position). It might just tip the balance, in Wisconsin, to the GOP.

One would be well advised not to jump on the losing team's bandwagon heading toward a foreign field for battle.

Are you suggesting, then, that some third-party candidate is more likely than Mitt Romney to win the presidency in November 2012?

1,152 posted on 04/12/2012 7:55:48 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Norm Lenhart; swpa_mom
Sad truth. If you support RINOS, you are one

Yup RINO converts...

RINO converts who will forever have to hold their tongue on criticizing socialistic healthcare once they support/vote for Mitt Romney..

They'll have crossed the RINO Waterloo.

Same with abortion and protecting the womb...People w'll have become "pro-choice" like Romney once they support him -- which includes his crazy idea (dec 07) that parents can give up their offspring to "research" -- as he told Katie Couric.

1,153 posted on 04/12/2012 7:59:42 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: caww
I’ve stoppped listening to Fox awhile ago...then stopped Beck...then Drudge...and now they’re all on the bandwagon...because they have to sell what they stations, producers and owners tell them.

I suspect Savage and others will also jump on in time...making Obama a very happy man.

I don't know if you listened to Mark Levin tonight, but Sarah pretty much endorsed Mitt, also. She cloaked it in some vague words thanking Mark for staying in the fray and fighting even when we didn't get our "First Choice".

She was referring to Levin supporting Romney now. Santorum was Levin's first choice. This is definitely True Colors Time... and is turning out to be very enlightening to say the least...

It will be interesting to see if Sarah honestly comes forward to support Romney before the convention or if she waits while everyone continues to try and damage and minimize Newt and endorses Romney at the convention, like she had no choice. she could have jumped in and helped Newt a whole lot, and still could.

There are so many others. I mean did you ever expect to hear Jim DeMint say he was very excited at the prospect of romney being the nominee...

This is all hurting my heart and my head..

1,154 posted on 04/12/2012 8:00:08 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: GlockThe Vote
That is not an endorsement of mittens!

Sure it is. And it's not the only one you've posted on this thread.

You've bought the logic that it's ok to vote for a Socialist, as long as he's got an R behind his name. Just what on earth do you hope to accomplish by voting for the flip side of the same coin?

1,155 posted on 04/12/2012 8:01:49 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: caww

It’s a great opportunity- to strike a blow for the Lord and crap in the GOP-e swimming pool at the same time.


1,156 posted on 04/12/2012 8:02:04 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: swpa_mom

No offense, but I’m not going back into the history of your posts.

Okay ... then invent what ever story you want about it me. But understand, as all who have posted with me over the years do, that you are completely inaccurate. I'm glad you "got it".


1,157 posted on 04/12/2012 8:03:12 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: GeronL
Would that be the same Buckley who ran a third party campaign for NYC Mayor against a RINO?

It is my understanding that New York City has four major parties: the Democratic Party; the Republican Party; the Liberal Party; and the Conservative Party.

In 1965, Buckley ran as the standard-bearer of the Conservative Party, in opposition to the (very liberal--not moderate) John Lindsay.

He’s your model for supporting Romney??

Yes, I believe that the late Mr. Buckley serves as an exemplary model.

He was, in my opinion, the very apotheosis of modern conservatism...

1,158 posted on 04/12/2012 8:05:09 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: caww
Remember the Republican revolution of the 90s.... At that time Newt had been a congressman for several years. It didn’t happen overnight. It took several years for the GOP to come to its senses that they could gain the majority in congress...... It was Newt who convinced just enough of them that it could be done.

Then came the Contract with America, which got so many GOP candidates elected to congress because they made a promise to get things done. They won the majority after over 40 years of Democrat control. Newt became speaker, and under his leadership, things got done. Big things, like welfare reform and the first balanced budget in decades.

You want to say that Newt is anything but Consevative!.... but you have no idea..... I think you need to go onto his website and read his new “21st Century Contract with America.”.... I’m telling you that he’s like no other GOP candidate in a very long time......

He not only has a chance of beating Romney even at this late stage, but also getting a lot more conservatives elected to congress on the strength of the contract alone..... We could win the Senate and get a larger majority in the House.......

Romney’s not going to do that for us...... It’s more than just the presidency, it’s turning the liberal machine on its head in a major way. That’s what Newt’s agenda has always been and will continue to be if he becomes POTUS.

He’s way better than Palin (although I like her), Santorum, or any of the current GOP field. He’s the seasoned conservative master politician who WILL get it done.... His record on that stands....

Romney will just be a “manager in chief.” Certainly way better than Obama, but without Newt’s vision and record for actually changing Washington. It’s not too late.

(Borrowed) But says what I think.

This is so great, and I just happened upon it in a very long thread. If you think of it, could you add me to any post you do regarding Newt? Not if it's too much trouble, and I know you won't always remember, but I really like and learn alot from your posts..

Stay Strong for Newt!

1,159 posted on 04/12/2012 8:06:21 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: Windflier

Considering we are dealing with a communist lethal tyrant like Obama - it’s reality.

do me a favor though - if Romney loses - you need to STFU about anything Bama does over the next four years.


1,160 posted on 04/12/2012 8:06:41 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Jim Robinson

He must have you mixed up with another Jim. I have NEVER ever seen you post such a thread. Good grief.


1,161 posted on 04/12/2012 8:09:35 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: All
When I need to unscramble my thoughts, I take a sheet of paper & divide it into two columns - PRO & CON for each candidate. In this case - Romney & Newt.

I did a lot of research on how Romney governed in MA. I also did a lot of research on Newt's record as Speaker of the House. There is still plenty of time to study the records of these two men.

So far, the Romney CONS are enormous. Some of the things I learned about him really stunned me. I may have to add another sheet. I prayed about how to make the right decision without being swayed wrongly by outside influence.

This exercise has cleared my thought process. I am not going to vote for Romney. Integrity is a big issue with me. I am, and always will be a Conservative. I love my country and I needed to give some serious time, prayer and clear thought to this election.

Newt is my choice.

1,162 posted on 04/12/2012 8:10:04 PM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: kreitzer
My primary vote for Newt Gingrich will be my last vote as a Republican. The fight has just begun!

Yup...same here...going independent...and advocate that many do so far & wide by the month of Romney's nomination...

1,163 posted on 04/12/2012 8:11:44 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: Colofornian

I keep saying it on this thread and others...and they keep ignoring it. Not because it’s wrong or that the logic is somehow flawed, but because it’s true.

Because it’s true, as is easily proven through the most simple simple of logic tests, they would have to admit that they are making excuses to rationalize their behavior. It’s amazing the mental/verbal gymnastics I see people contorting themselves with on this thread.

Excuses to why they can ignore JR and just keep right on truckin’ with their ‘I’m gonna keep talking about why we must vote for the RINO even when you tell me not to do so on your site”,

Excuses to why Romney isn’t pro choice...no really, he isn’t!...

Excuses why the world will end and it will be non-Romney voter’s fault because they retained, rather than abandoned their integrity...

Excuses why being called on their liberal thought process is ‘bullying’ by those who point it out...

It’s totally indistinguishable from arguing with liberals. Same excuse making, same rationalizing behavior, same refusal to accept facts, same ‘magical thinking’, same ‘My reasons are the one true exception” BS...

People not wanting to be called RINOS/Liberals only need to refrain from using their tactics.


1,164 posted on 04/12/2012 8:12:38 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: jersey117
Obama is a commie. I don't believe Romney is.

There you go again with the assumptions. Have you bothered to look at Romney's actual record in office? If you had, you'd know that he governed no different than any liberal Democrat would.

Not only that, the man is on record as having made all sorts of touchy-feely statements about Socialism, Progressivism, etc. Even further, he's made statements putting distance between himself and Reagan and other conservatives.

Ruling class Commies are no different than any ruling class before them. They live at the top of an enforced pyramidal social structure that ensures vast wealth and unlimited power for the few, while they reign supreme over the slaves below them.

I don't give a damn how much money Romney came into legitimately, he's in foursquare agreement with the Commies, who want a return to the feudalistic pyramidal social structures of old.

1,165 posted on 04/12/2012 8:15:43 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: swpa_mom

The circular firing squad will continue.


Yes, it will. It was like this 4 years ago.

Is there anyone on this board that can truly say that they believe McCain would have been as bad as Obama over the last 3 years? I remember many saying that and I was one of them. I was horribly wrong.

Obama won’t have to worry about being elected again in his second term. He will probably get 1-3 SCOTUS appointments and the court may effectively become the Obama court for the next two decades. I think we have only begun to see how radical Obama and his handlers are.


1,166 posted on 04/12/2012 8:15:57 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: volunbeer

No one can realisticaloy believe that McCain wouldn’t be better. No one can seriously claim that Romney wouldn’t be better.


1,167 posted on 04/12/2012 8:18:45 PM PDT by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: volunbeer

No one can realistically believe that McCain wouldn’t be better. No one can seriously claim that Romney wouldn’t be better. (Auto correct corrected)


1,168 posted on 04/12/2012 8:19:27 PM PDT by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: navydad
But if it comes to giving Obama 4 more years to finish destroying this country, I will hold my nose and vote for Romney.

Here's the News...(I hate to break it to you):

#1 The Democrats will ALWAYS run a country-destroying POTUS candidate...(I mean, c'mon now...they have been out to destroy the womb, destroy marriage, destroy the family, and destroy jobs, so why is this some "new" bent or new threat framed around here by the would-be Romney voters?)

#2 The GoP -- as long as it remains in existence -- will continue to run RINOs just barely to the left of the country-detroying Dem candidates...and eventually to the left of Obama...

So the message you send to the next generation or two: "Hold your nose...Yeah, I know vote left of Obama some year...'cause the Dems will ALWAYS offer somebody worse...but, hey we're political relativists to the max."

Sorry. That's no way to run -- or treat -- a party that's now officially CINO -- Conservative in Name Only.

1,169 posted on 04/12/2012 8:19:40 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: sand lake bar

Yes I can. I have his Gov record to judge him by.


1,170 posted on 04/12/2012 8:20:26 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Colofornian; Jeff Head; onyx; Syncro; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; JoeProBono; RedMDer; ...

Romney is a compulsive liar. Lie after lie papered over with more lies. Doesn’t even flinch when caught in bald faced lies, simply tells another whopper to cover up or dodge the issue. Funny thing, the man actually seems to believe his own latest lies and simply ignores the glaring record of his past actions. And you have true blue establishment elite RINO Republicans like Karl Rove enabling and backing up his lies. Their motivation is simply to hang on to power (and riches) any way they can.

I’ve stated many times since Romney started running for the presidency way back when that I’d never vote for him and I will not. He cannot lie his way out of his decades long record of support for abortion, gay rights, gun control, global warming, amnesty, liberal judges, big government, compulsory or socialized health care (RomneyCare), mandates, Keynesian economics, support and approval of TARP, bailouts, stimulus packages, etc.

C’mon. These are the reasons the tea party sprang up and the reasons he and Rove loathe the tea party and our tea party conservative candidates. Romney famously expressed his loathing for Reagan-Bush conservatism several years ago when he was trying to run to the left of Ted Kennedy and now he’s cloaking himself in Reagan conservatism, knowing it’s a lie but he knows it’s the only way he can win the Republican nomination.

Screw Romney!! I absolutely will not support or vote for a proven compulsive liar with a known record of abortion and big government socialism, liberal appointments, etc. He still lies about RomneyCare today. Calls it a “conservative solution.” Get real!!

Listen to what Ronald Reagan had to say about the elites pushing socialism on America via compulsory health insurance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

There will be no campaign for this Massachusetts liberal liar on FR!!


1,171 posted on 04/12/2012 8:21:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

So do I. We read it much differently. And my confidence in my interpretation is bolstered by the fact that every well-known public conservative agrees with me.


1,172 posted on 04/12/2012 8:22:52 PM PDT by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: swpa_mom

Your Rominy kneepads are too tight. Try to get some air.


1,173 posted on 04/12/2012 8:24:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Perhaps I will phrase it this way. What makes you trust him? I am not averse to it, but tell me why I should not regard him as opportunistic, basically saying what we want to hear

First, I don't trust any man...I trust God to move men... and for the discernment to understand their motives as well as their positions. If I'm uncertain I investigate further until I'm as certain as possible.

I spent considerable time looking at Newt's history...both personal and political as well as his families. The more I saw the more it was obvious I had underestimated Newt a great deal. Still I looked for further confirmation which only reinforced what I was seeing in this man.

You have to know what's candidate wants and desires and how that lines up with what you know is significant to you...and be willing to let God move you where he wants your understanding to be.

Frankly Newt simply was not on my radar in the beginning... honestly didn't consider him...so when the candidate I did want decided not to run it was time to 'seriously' look at others...and not just hitch to the current bandwagon.

Newt...... knows how to play his cards right when he doesn't have the money machine that Romney has..... He said not too long ago that he was just waiting for the 2 front runners to either err or drop out..... Romney err'd with etch-a-sketch, even though he didn't exactly say it. Santorum dropped out... Newt was right.

Now it's his turn to surge yet again, and he will. It may be a bit late, but it may also be just enough to get him to the convention, and if that happens, watch out Mitt.

"What kind of candidate is most likely to be able to make sense of the terrible events and forces that weigh down our country,... be capable of vividly describing our plight and what needs to be done ....and convince the public that he has the intelligence, courage, experience and sheer will to force events favorably to America’s historic interests and needs?"..... the question answers itself... It is GOP candidate Newt Gingrich.

But most Washington politicians don’t see it that way. They see a 'conventional' close election - not a bold, historic lunge by the voters to save the country....... They suggest Mitt Romney may be best positioned to stitch together a safe campaign that noses out President Obama by a point or two, or comes up short by a point or two.... So they went out doubling down on their early bet telling reporters that Newt was never much of a leader and never got much done.

And yet most of them enthusiastically following his leadership year after year as Republican whip from 1989 to 1994. ...It was the most successful congressional opposition movement since Benjamin Disraeli formed the modern Conservative Party in Britain in the mid-19th century.

And after the GOP took back the House for the first time in 40 years (and the Senate, too, by the way),.. Newt’s four years as speaker proved to be the most productive, legislative congressional years since at least 1965 to 67, and they were led by Lyndon B. Johnson from the White House.

Working against - and with - Democratic President Bill Clinton, we passed into law most of the Contract With America, welfare reform, telecommunications reform (which ushered in the modern cellphone and Internet age) and the first balanced budget since before the Vietnam War, and we cut taxes and lowered unemployment to less than 5 percent.

Just who the heck do all these professional political wizards think managed all that? ...Newt led it all!... Newt’s methods were not orthodox. He modified the seniority committee chairman system and picked the best members for the key posts. ...More than a few feathers got ruffled.

One of his key insights was to recognize that the two-dozen Northeastern moderates and liberals in the GOP caucus held the balance of power - we didn’t have 218 safe conservative votes in the House...... Newt needed to prevent them from playing off the GOP against the Democrats (which is what such a faction in any congressional party normally tries to do),... but rather feel fundamental loyalty and value in sticking with the GOP working majority.... To do that, they had to get some of the provisions that they wanted in bills often enough that they would stick with conservatives on other issues.

This required a lot of maneuvering by Newt. Conservative members got frustrated that he did that.... They called that erratic behavior on Newt’s part..... No, it was necessary and calculated maneuvering..... He was actually shrewdly managing a precarious majority. ...If he hadn’t kept the Northeastern liberals in the fold, very little would have been accomplished in those spectacular four years of legislating and leading.

But when it came to fundamental conservative principles and the political strategies necessary to protect them, Newt saw the threats to them and never wavered.....

When Newt was speaker, he refused to raise taxes, he made a political fight of spending cuts with Bill Clinton (paying a big price in personal smears run against him), but we won the historic balanced budgets.

In dangerous times, the safer choice for president is not the candidate who has always played it safe, nor is it the candidate who has not already faced and defeated adversity.

These exerts from a man who had worked with Newt shed light on many issues...the whole story is spell bounding and Jim actually had a thread on it. It was further validation for me. You may not agree with his policies or solutions. You may abhor his failures. You may not like or support Newt....... what you cannot do is ignore his accomplishments.....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/12/newts-past-and-future-leadership/

1,174 posted on 04/12/2012 8:26:19 PM PDT by caww
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To: sand lake bar

Then all those well known scientists are right about global warming too? They ARE well known and they agree...consensus and all...so you must be confident in that too huh?

Vote as you wish. But you are abandoning conservative thought by voting Romney. That doesn’t change.


1,175 posted on 04/12/2012 8:30:00 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Jim Robinson; Colofornian; Jeff Head; onyx; Syncro; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; JoeProBono; ...

Resistance to Tyranny is obedience to God!!

1,176 posted on 04/12/2012 8:30:31 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Also this thread I believe Jim had up was also very convincing...and confirmed even further my choice of Newt. You have to look and see and discover as you go that Newt’s the man we truly need.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2822096/posts


1,177 posted on 04/12/2012 8:32:04 PM PDT by caww
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To: sand lake bar

McCain is bought and paid for by Soros. How much worse can it get? He tried to arm muzzie terrorists in Kosovo, pushed for ground troops in Libya and wants us to go in to Syria. He authored the most anti-Constitutional law ever made a law. He gutted laws that protect American POWs. He did more to push for cap&trade laws than any other congresscritter bar none.


1,178 posted on 04/12/2012 8:36:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

He can also be quoted to the right of center on the very same issues.

Romney has three positions for every issue. Just tell him which one you'd like to hear and he'll fill you in.

And although it is certainly true that most people do not cast their votes according to who is at the bottom of the ticket, just enough do take that into consideration to make it appealing for Gov. Romney to select Paul Ryan (if the latter can be persuaded to accept the position). It might just tip the balance, in Wisconsin, to the GOP.

That would be an interesting play on Romney's behalf. I'll keep an eye out for it, but I won't hold my breath. The folks pulling the GOP-e strings do not appear to be in the mood to toss the base a bone.

Are you suggesting, then, that some third-party candidate is more likely than Mitt Romney to win the presidency in November 2012?

That is not likely, I concede that. Not impossible, but at least improbable. So, no, that is not my suggestion. My suggestion is that the point is moot -- Romney is "winning" by out advertising the opponents in high population, but decidedly liberal, counties. He is "winning" like a democrat. And when the progressive liberal Romney with an "R" behind his name goes head to head with the progressive liberal Obama with a "D" behind his name ... he will lose. The same counties giving him victories today will turn on him in favor off Obama in November. The support that has gotten him this far will erode. He has lost before the first general election vote was cast. McCain was in a similar boat, and even the brilliant VP pick Palin could not rescue him.

So, my position is that we conservatives cannot win because the GOP has foisted a liberal progressive upon us ... pretending that he represents our values. The progressive liberal Romney cannot win because he cannot "out liberal" the progressive liberal Obama. So ... if ever there was a time to seed a 3rd party, give it a base, redirect RNC funding to it, and build a contender for future elections ... this is it. There is no downside and nothing to lose because there is no victory to be had this go round. That is, of course, assuming something "interesting" does not happen with the convention. I will keep my fingers crossed, eyes open, and prayers up. But this is the time to develop a contingency plan.


1,179 posted on 04/12/2012 8:37:10 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: MHGinTN

Sorry, MHG, but I said nothing of the sort. I made it clear throughout that Romney...if he wins the nomination will get my vote...that hasn’t happened yet, so you can figure out the rest if you really want to.

I have also made it clear that Sarah, Cain, Santorum, and now Newt were my choices until that point.

That is all.


1,180 posted on 04/12/2012 8:41:49 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, the bottom line (IMO and I believe as demonstrated throughout) is that most of these people know the truth about Romney. They just don’t care. They are either afraid and letting their emotions rule them or as I suspect is more often the case, ‘cafeteria Conservatives.’ When the chips are down, and you did indeed put them down, they, as displayed by the existence of this 1000+ and the original 500+ post thread, have spent more time ignoring your clear as glass statement and railing on anyone who backs it.

It kills me that rather than just saying “I disagree,” manning up and taking their Romney support elsewhere as instructed, they double down and intend to ‘shame’ us into backing off.

These people’s attitude IS what got America in this mess. Rather than stand against open communism, they, by their own words, intend to choose ‘lesser evil’ and pride themselves on the choice. They are either too self absorber or too morally bankrupt to see their folly. Either way, conservative they are not. The time has come to stand up and the have chosen to stand aside. the true “REALITY” (to use their oft quoted term) here.


1,181 posted on 04/12/2012 8:43:22 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Jim Robinson
Doesn’t even flinch when caught in bald faced lies, simply tells another whopper to cover up or dodge the issue.

I know a few (thank Heavens it's a few) people like that. Pathological liars who tell the lie so often I think they're unable to KNOW what is the truth.

We do NOT want that sort of person in the White House. We've already got one, and look where that's gotten us...

1,182 posted on 04/12/2012 8:43:41 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Nobama_ever

Thank you for working for Gingrich as a volunteer in Georgia. I’m glad that turned into a victory.

Let’s hope there are more victories down the road. It’s a long shot, but I see no other shots out there.


1,183 posted on 04/12/2012 8:44:49 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Jim Robinson; Syncro; Jeff Head; Colofornian; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; RedMDer; ...

Thank you very much, dearest Jim. I don’t know how many times you have tried to make yourself clear, nor how many times you will do so in the future, but I hope and pray FReepers will get your message sooner rather than later or too late for “some.”

NO CAMPAIGNING for the likes of the Massachusetts vicious and wanton liar, who’s ruined this primary for all conservatives and actually for the American people, too.

Like you said, he’s a “proven compulsive liar with a known record of abortion and big government socialism, liberal appointments, etc.”, plus there’s not a conservative bone in his body.

We trust in Him, and prayerful people can disagree right now, so I urge everyone here, to continue to pray. It’s only April. The primaries are not over. Nothing is sealed in cement. Go Newt!

Stand stong. Stand with Jim and our Conservative, TEA Party values and principles, which are Constitional as our Founders wrote.

God bless you all and God bless Free Republic!


1,184 posted on 04/12/2012 8:45:41 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Doesn’t even flinch when caught in bald faced lies, simply tells another whopper to cover up or dodge the issue.

I know a few (thank Heavens it's a few) people like that. Pathological liars who tell the lie so often I think they're unable to KNOW what is the truth. Or care. Whatever suits their purpose IS "the truth".

We do NOT want that sort of person in the White House. We've already got one, and look where that's gotten us...

1,185 posted on 04/12/2012 8:45:41 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: volunbeer; Jim Robinson
The circular firing squad will continue.

Yes, it will. It was like this 4 years ago.

Is there anyone on this board that can truly say that they believe McCain would have been as bad as Obama over the last 3 years? I remember many saying that and I was one of them. I was horribly wrong.

Obama won’t have to worry about being elected again in his second term. He will probably get 1-3 SCOTUS appointments and the court may effectively become the Obama court for the next two decades. I think we have only begun to see how radical Obama and his handlers are.


McCain would have been far more damaging to the reputation of conservative principles - all things conservative.

The Federal annual deficits would not be much smaller than they are now.

McCain would have signed some sort of "stimulus" - hundreds of billions - in a spirit of being "bi-partisan".

We would not have Obamacare, but a slightly watered down version, McCaincare. It would have been a boondoggle that threw hundreds of billions to the healthcare "industry"; trillions over the years.

Long story short, the train would be still heading towards the same train wreck.

Europe is crashing as we speak, slowly. That would still be happening. McCain would certainly not try to stop the Fed from spreading our borrowed dollars (that taxpayers owe) all around Europe and the world to "help out".

He would not significantly decrease the role of government in the private sector; the SEC - big finance cabal would still be keeping capital away from micro businesses in America and investing overseas. So unemployment might be a half a point lower, but our structural problems would remain. Communists run the public school system; statists like Michael Bloomberg would still be gradually tightening the noose around the neck of the America citizen. Starting a small business would be just as tough, really, as it is now.

And of course, for all the mess would be labeled forever as a failed "conservative" Republican solution.

If we have a conservative nominee would will actually fix things, then we can confidently elect them and expect success. If we don't, we will see problems (which nowadays are/will be massive); in that case, let a communist be in the White House and take the full blame for the mess. People will then LONG FOR freedom and be more receptive to conservative ideas.
1,186 posted on 04/12/2012 8:46:54 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Agree with you 100%. Romney is IMO just as bad for the country as Obama. His is a self serving motive. He hasn’t the conservative’s desire to lead us back to the greatness that America was. Romney is NO Conservative. He’s what the GOP-e have redefined conservatism to be. I’ve railed on that point perhaps too often at this site.

I think the ticket is downticket. Vote, and vote well for all the Conservatives downticket. Vote out the RINO’s that we can, and vote in the TEA Party we have available. Get true, and honest American patriots that understand the Constitution, and what it meant to the success of this Nation for so long, and start the lengthy process to restore America to greatness.

I’m NOT giving up on Newt. He has to say when. I won’t second guess him. When he says that’s it, it’s over then I’ll refocus my attentions strictly upon the Congress, and the other downticket races.


1,187 posted on 04/12/2012 8:47:44 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Whoops.


1,188 posted on 04/12/2012 8:48:17 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Colofornian

I made my position clear in post 818 for anyone to read...you can spin it however you want based on your own obvious agenda and slant.

If Romney wins the nomination I will back him over Obama. Newt has not bowed out yet, so, after Sarah, Cain, and Santorum, now I support Newt.

I pray for a brokered convention...that would give us a chance to get a more conservative candidate for President.

But, if that doesn’t happen, then that post speaks my mind and it is really pretty easy to understand and why...I say so. And it is not the words you are attempting to put in my mouth.


1,189 posted on 04/12/2012 8:48:42 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: onyx

Thank you for the note, Onyx.

I agree we need to be very careful voting for a person with a history of untruthfulness, though the reality is that many politicians have that problem.

One virtue of a reputation for bluntness is it gives the speaker the freedom to be forthright rather than polite.


1,190 posted on 04/12/2012 8:50:40 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: whiterhino; Jim Robinson; All
...if you don’t vote for whoever runs against Obama, who benefits? Obama or the other guy? And if Obama benefits, then you have supported Obama with your non-vote. Do you wish to support Obama more than anyone from the GOP? I’m p*$$#% off too during and since the 70’s except for 8 years in the 80’s, but what are the alternatives to another 4 yrs of socialist-racist thuggery if you don’t vote GOP in November?

ALL: Over the next almost 7 months, there will be countless attempts like this one to "guilt you" into voting for a socialist pro-abortion pro-liberal judge appointing "I'm a god."

Whenever you encounter them, think of this parallel:

Who is culpable -- besides the GoP-e -- for giving us Romney to begin with?

...It's kind of like a relative coming to you and asking if you approve of the guy she's chosen for marriage...

...You frankly, repeatedly, with full reasons why -- including a careful background search of the guy -- tell the female relative, "No, he's not the right guy for you."

...Then guess what happens?

Surprise, surprise! The "marriage" doesn't last very long...

But guess who the ex-bride will blame for the "marriage" not working out???

Yup...'twas your fault...

Tho you tried & tried & tried to warn her that it wouldn't proceed very far, she just wouldn't listen...

And what is almost as bad -- the ex-bride's family & friends temporarily rallied behind her to extol this guy to the world as being a true "catch"...They hid from the world all the horrible things they knew about him, and became apologists for him re: the trail of aborted babies he left behind in previous relationships...

And now the ex-bride's reputation for life is forever linked with this sorest apology of a guy (let alone not living up to the "god in embryo" he is touted to be)...And these cheerleaders-from-hell who endorsed the bridegroom...the ones who would betray the womb...betray the cause against socialism?

Why, they've become -- with it growing daily -- marginalized. Silenced.

Their vocal chords & keyboards vs. socialism & abortion & liberalism have been "traded in."

They are like Jacob of the Bible, who traded his inheritance for a bowl of lentil soup. In this case, they have traded their Free Republic heritage for a "lentil soup" candidate, all because they refuse to "taste" defeat in April and want to delay the hunger pangs of defeat until November.

We're all temporary losers here. The difference here is that we're discerning it now; some people will need to be hit over the head in November to come to their political senses.

1,191 posted on 04/12/2012 8:52:04 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: Jim Robinson

1,444,170 views on You-Tube!
Every voter needs to see it.
Every student in government schools really needs to see it and digest it.


1,192 posted on 04/12/2012 8:54:53 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Jim Robinson; onyx; STARWISE; DJ MacWoW; TheOldLady; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy
We all know Romney's position on abortion...

Now Planned Parenthood the most evil organization since the Waffen SS is going gang busters on Romney saying he wants to kill women, by not allowing breast cancer scans and what not.

All the Hollyweird psychos on Twitter are linking directly to Planned Infanticide...

WTF does the left fear? Romney supports abortion! Why would they be bitching about Romney wanting to kill women? These people are so drugged out it is disgusting.

Maybe it's the drugs, maybe it's the fame, Boycott Hollyweird.

This is a tactic by the psychos on the left to hurt our true tea party candidates who are running for State and Federal Elections. These people are freaks!!!

1,193 posted on 04/12/2012 8:54:53 PM PDT by Dengar01 (Go Bulls!!! Go Blackhawks!!! Go White Sox!!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

The Republican nominee has not been determined yet. What many of the rominy defenders are doing at FR is trying to roll a pee-stained snowball up so big that Newt will be hidden from view leaving only the yellow stain Rominy. It is a political strategy as old as politics, but in this race it is despicable. Jim says there will be no campaigning for Romney here, but these liars are doing it by trying to erase Newt from view leaving ‘only left with Romney’. Reading the thread, that phrasing has jumped out from posts too often to be an accidental choice of words.


1,194 posted on 04/12/2012 8:57:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Only left with statism. Choose the kinder gentler statist. So to speak.


1,195 posted on 04/12/2012 8:59:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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1,196 posted on 04/12/2012 8:59:42 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: PieterCasparzen

If we have a conservative nominee would “be willing to” actually fix things, then we can confidently elect them and expect success.


I don’t share that confidence. As I have stated numerous times, our country is so far off the rails that any conservative we elected to cut entitlement spending even 10% would likely see congress change hands within two years and he/she would be slaughtered in four.

Look at Wisconsin.... a small cut to benefits and they shut down the capital for weeks. Realistically, what do you think will happen when they cut food stamps, welfare, social services, union contracts, pensions, medicaid, medicare, and social security?

I could support such a candidate, but our problems won’t be fixed in two, four, eight, or even sixteen years. We are looking at drastic cuts in government spending spread out over decades to get out of the hole we find ourselves in. Reagan could not do it and he was the finest communicator and most pursuasive President we have seen in my lifetime.


1,197 posted on 04/12/2012 9:00:00 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: All
Correction re: the proper Biblical character re: what I said in last post...

They are like Esau (not Jacob) of the Bible, who traded his inheritance for a bowl of lentil soup. In this case, they have traded their Free Republic heritage for a "lentil soup" candidate, all because they refuse to "taste" defeat in April and want to delay the hunger pangs of defeat until November.

1,198 posted on 04/12/2012 9:01:07 PM PDT by Colofornian ( The Romneybots are political descendents of Esau: Trading a FR inheritance for a 'lentil soup' guy)
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To: Jeff Head
If Romney wins the nomination I will back him over Obama.

A reluctant, and bitter, "me too."

Sometimes a terrible choice is the best choice available. Certainly better than playing Pontius Pilate, and piously washing your hands, and disclaiming responsibility for the reelection of BO.

1,199 posted on 04/12/2012 9:01:25 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: caww

I took a quick overall read. I will go back later on and read more in depth.

I’d never vote Romney. If Newt is the guy that gets the nomination, as opposed to Santorum, or a wildcard at the convention, I believe he still needs to be kept on a very, very short leash. I do not have the trust/faith in him others do at this point.


1,200 posted on 04/12/2012 9:01:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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