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Click here to pledge your support! ^ | April 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/11/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain in full rebellion mode for the duration!

No more Doles!! No more McCains!! No more RINOS!!


Those who cannot stomach rebellion might as well start looking for a new home on the net!!

Those who have ignored my hundreds of posts on this crucial issue or who have doubted me these last three or four years might as well get used to it. FR will never support the abortionist, homosexualist, socialist, mandate loving, constitution trampling liar Mitt Romney.

In case you haven't noticed, a TEA Party rebellion is on and Free Republic signed on years ago. There is no turning back. No more crap from the GOP-e!! They've screwed us for the last time!! Karl Rove and Mitt Romney, et al, loathe conservatism and loathe the tea party and took it upon themselves to use their money and connections to destroy nearly every one of our conservative tea party candidates while pushing their big government RINOS. That makes them the enemy. I will not reward that betrayal by giving them my support or my vote.

FR is and will remain a pro-life, pro-limited government conservative site!!

We are beholden to NO ONE!! We bow to no kings!! We bow to NO RINOS!!

I'd rather fight and die like a man than bend over and be screwed by a RINO!! I refuse to kiss Karl Rove or Mitt Romney's rings!! They can kiss my rosy red ass instead!!


Long live the rebellion!!

Hope my message is clear.

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To: Jim Robinson

He must have you mixed up with another Jim. I have NEVER ever seen you post such a thread. Good grief.

1,161 posted on 04/12/2012 8:09:35 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: All
When I need to unscramble my thoughts, I take a sheet of paper & divide it into two columns - PRO & CON for each candidate. In this case - Romney & Newt.

I did a lot of research on how Romney governed in MA. I also did a lot of research on Newt's record as Speaker of the House. There is still plenty of time to study the records of these two men.

So far, the Romney CONS are enormous. Some of the things I learned about him really stunned me. I may have to add another sheet. I prayed about how to make the right decision without being swayed wrongly by outside influence.

This exercise has cleared my thought process. I am not going to vote for Romney. Integrity is a big issue with me. I am, and always will be a Conservative. I love my country and I needed to give some serious time, prayer and clear thought to this election.

Newt is my choice.

1,162 posted on 04/12/2012 8:10:04 PM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: kreitzer
My primary vote for Newt Gingrich will be my last vote as a Republican. The fight has just begun!

Yup...same here...going independent...and advocate that many do so far & wide by the month of Romney's nomination...

1,163 posted on 04/12/2012 8:11:44 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: Colofornian

I keep saying it on this thread and others...and they keep ignoring it. Not because it’s wrong or that the logic is somehow flawed, but because it’s true.

Because it’s true, as is easily proven through the most simple simple of logic tests, they would have to admit that they are making excuses to rationalize their behavior. It’s amazing the mental/verbal gymnastics I see people contorting themselves with on this thread.

Excuses to why they can ignore JR and just keep right on truckin’ with their ‘I’m gonna keep talking about why we must vote for the RINO even when you tell me not to do so on your site”,

Excuses to why Romney isn’t pro really, he isn’t!...

Excuses why the world will end and it will be non-Romney voter’s fault because they retained, rather than abandoned their integrity...

Excuses why being called on their liberal thought process is ‘bullying’ by those who point it out...

It’s totally indistinguishable from arguing with liberals. Same excuse making, same rationalizing behavior, same refusal to accept facts, same ‘magical thinking’, same ‘My reasons are the one true exception” BS...

People not wanting to be called RINOS/Liberals only need to refrain from using their tactics.

1,164 posted on 04/12/2012 8:12:38 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: jersey117
Obama is a commie. I don't believe Romney is.

There you go again with the assumptions. Have you bothered to look at Romney's actual record in office? If you had, you'd know that he governed no different than any liberal Democrat would.

Not only that, the man is on record as having made all sorts of touchy-feely statements about Socialism, Progressivism, etc. Even further, he's made statements putting distance between himself and Reagan and other conservatives.

Ruling class Commies are no different than any ruling class before them. They live at the top of an enforced pyramidal social structure that ensures vast wealth and unlimited power for the few, while they reign supreme over the slaves below them.

I don't give a damn how much money Romney came into legitimately, he's in foursquare agreement with the Commies, who want a return to the feudalistic pyramidal social structures of old.

1,165 posted on 04/12/2012 8:15:43 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: swpa_mom

The circular firing squad will continue.

Yes, it will. It was like this 4 years ago.

Is there anyone on this board that can truly say that they believe McCain would have been as bad as Obama over the last 3 years? I remember many saying that and I was one of them. I was horribly wrong.

Obama won’t have to worry about being elected again in his second term. He will probably get 1-3 SCOTUS appointments and the court may effectively become the Obama court for the next two decades. I think we have only begun to see how radical Obama and his handlers are.

1,166 posted on 04/12/2012 8:15:57 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: volunbeer

No one can realisticaloy believe that McCain wouldn’t be better. No one can seriously claim that Romney wouldn’t be better.

1,167 posted on 04/12/2012 8:18:45 PM PDT by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: volunbeer

No one can realistically believe that McCain wouldn’t be better. No one can seriously claim that Romney wouldn’t be better. (Auto correct corrected)

1,168 posted on 04/12/2012 8:19:27 PM PDT by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: navydad
But if it comes to giving Obama 4 more years to finish destroying this country, I will hold my nose and vote for Romney.

Here's the News...(I hate to break it to you):

#1 The Democrats will ALWAYS run a country-destroying POTUS candidate...(I mean, c'mon now...they have been out to destroy the womb, destroy marriage, destroy the family, and destroy jobs, so why is this some "new" bent or new threat framed around here by the would-be Romney voters?)

#2 The GoP -- as long as it remains in existence -- will continue to run RINOs just barely to the left of the country-detroying Dem candidates...and eventually to the left of Obama...

So the message you send to the next generation or two: "Hold your nose...Yeah, I know vote left of Obama some year...'cause the Dems will ALWAYS offer somebody worse...but, hey we're political relativists to the max."

Sorry. That's no way to run -- or treat -- a party that's now officially CINO -- Conservative in Name Only.

1,169 posted on 04/12/2012 8:19:40 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: sand lake bar

Yes I can. I have his Gov record to judge him by.

1,170 posted on 04/12/2012 8:20:26 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Colofornian; Jeff Head; onyx; Syncro; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; JoeProBono; RedMDer; ...

Romney is a compulsive liar. Lie after lie papered over with more lies. Doesn’t even flinch when caught in bald faced lies, simply tells another whopper to cover up or dodge the issue. Funny thing, the man actually seems to believe his own latest lies and simply ignores the glaring record of his past actions. And you have true blue establishment elite RINO Republicans like Karl Rove enabling and backing up his lies. Their motivation is simply to hang on to power (and riches) any way they can.

I’ve stated many times since Romney started running for the presidency way back when that I’d never vote for him and I will not. He cannot lie his way out of his decades long record of support for abortion, gay rights, gun control, global warming, amnesty, liberal judges, big government, compulsory or socialized health care (RomneyCare), mandates, Keynesian economics, support and approval of TARP, bailouts, stimulus packages, etc.

C’mon. These are the reasons the tea party sprang up and the reasons he and Rove loathe the tea party and our tea party conservative candidates. Romney famously expressed his loathing for Reagan-Bush conservatism several years ago when he was trying to run to the left of Ted Kennedy and now he’s cloaking himself in Reagan conservatism, knowing it’s a lie but he knows it’s the only way he can win the Republican nomination.

Screw Romney!! I absolutely will not support or vote for a proven compulsive liar with a known record of abortion and big government socialism, liberal appointments, etc. He still lies about RomneyCare today. Calls it a “conservative solution.” Get real!!

Listen to what Ronald Reagan had to say about the elites pushing socialism on America via compulsory health insurance:

There will be no campaign for this Massachusetts liberal liar on FR!!

1,171 posted on 04/12/2012 8:21:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

So do I. We read it much differently. And my confidence in my interpretation is bolstered by the fact that every well-known public conservative agrees with me.

1,172 posted on 04/12/2012 8:22:52 PM PDT by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: swpa_mom

Your Rominy kneepads are too tight. Try to get some air.

1,173 posted on 04/12/2012 8:24:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Perhaps I will phrase it this way. What makes you trust him? I am not averse to it, but tell me why I should not regard him as opportunistic, basically saying what we want to hear

First, I don't trust any man...I trust God to move men... and for the discernment to understand their motives as well as their positions. If I'm uncertain I investigate further until I'm as certain as possible.

I spent considerable time looking at Newt's history...both personal and political as well as his families. The more I saw the more it was obvious I had underestimated Newt a great deal. Still I looked for further confirmation which only reinforced what I was seeing in this man.

You have to know what's candidate wants and desires and how that lines up with what you know is significant to you...and be willing to let God move you where he wants your understanding to be.

Frankly Newt simply was not on my radar in the beginning... honestly didn't consider when the candidate I did want decided not to run it was time to 'seriously' look at others...and not just hitch to the current bandwagon.

Newt...... knows how to play his cards right when he doesn't have the money machine that Romney has..... He said not too long ago that he was just waiting for the 2 front runners to either err or drop out..... Romney err'd with etch-a-sketch, even though he didn't exactly say it. Santorum dropped out... Newt was right.

Now it's his turn to surge yet again, and he will. It may be a bit late, but it may also be just enough to get him to the convention, and if that happens, watch out Mitt.

"What kind of candidate is most likely to be able to make sense of the terrible events and forces that weigh down our country,... be capable of vividly describing our plight and what needs to be done ....and convince the public that he has the intelligence, courage, experience and sheer will to force events favorably to America’s historic interests and needs?"..... the question answers itself... It is GOP candidate Newt Gingrich.

But most Washington politicians don’t see it that way. They see a 'conventional' close election - not a bold, historic lunge by the voters to save the country....... They suggest Mitt Romney may be best positioned to stitch together a safe campaign that noses out President Obama by a point or two, or comes up short by a point or two.... So they went out doubling down on their early bet telling reporters that Newt was never much of a leader and never got much done.

And yet most of them enthusiastically following his leadership year after year as Republican whip from 1989 to 1994. ...It was the most successful congressional opposition movement since Benjamin Disraeli formed the modern Conservative Party in Britain in the mid-19th century.

And after the GOP took back the House for the first time in 40 years (and the Senate, too, by the way),.. Newt’s four years as speaker proved to be the most productive, legislative congressional years since at least 1965 to 67, and they were led by Lyndon B. Johnson from the White House.

Working against - and with - Democratic President Bill Clinton, we passed into law most of the Contract With America, welfare reform, telecommunications reform (which ushered in the modern cellphone and Internet age) and the first balanced budget since before the Vietnam War, and we cut taxes and lowered unemployment to less than 5 percent.

Just who the heck do all these professional political wizards think managed all that? ...Newt led it all!... Newt’s methods were not orthodox. He modified the seniority committee chairman system and picked the best members for the key posts. ...More than a few feathers got ruffled.

One of his key insights was to recognize that the two-dozen Northeastern moderates and liberals in the GOP caucus held the balance of power - we didn’t have 218 safe conservative votes in the House...... Newt needed to prevent them from playing off the GOP against the Democrats (which is what such a faction in any congressional party normally tries to do),... but rather feel fundamental loyalty and value in sticking with the GOP working majority.... To do that, they had to get some of the provisions that they wanted in bills often enough that they would stick with conservatives on other issues.

This required a lot of maneuvering by Newt. Conservative members got frustrated that he did that.... They called that erratic behavior on Newt’s part..... No, it was necessary and calculated maneuvering..... He was actually shrewdly managing a precarious majority. ...If he hadn’t kept the Northeastern liberals in the fold, very little would have been accomplished in those spectacular four years of legislating and leading.

But when it came to fundamental conservative principles and the political strategies necessary to protect them, Newt saw the threats to them and never wavered.....

When Newt was speaker, he refused to raise taxes, he made a political fight of spending cuts with Bill Clinton (paying a big price in personal smears run against him), but we won the historic balanced budgets.

In dangerous times, the safer choice for president is not the candidate who has always played it safe, nor is it the candidate who has not already faced and defeated adversity.

These exerts from a man who had worked with Newt shed light on many issues...the whole story is spell bounding and Jim actually had a thread on it. It was further validation for me. You may not agree with his policies or solutions. You may abhor his failures. You may not like or support Newt....... what you cannot do is ignore his accomplishments.....

1,174 posted on 04/12/2012 8:26:19 PM PDT by caww
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To: sand lake bar

Then all those well known scientists are right about global warming too? They ARE well known and they agree...consensus and you must be confident in that too huh?

Vote as you wish. But you are abandoning conservative thought by voting Romney. That doesn’t change.

1,175 posted on 04/12/2012 8:30:00 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Jim Robinson; Colofornian; Jeff Head; onyx; Syncro; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; JoeProBono; ...

Resistance to Tyranny is obedience to God!!

1,176 posted on 04/12/2012 8:30:31 PM PDT by RedMDer (
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To: Secret Agent Man

Also this thread I believe Jim had up was also very convincing...and confirmed even further my choice of Newt. You have to look and see and discover as you go that Newt’s the man we truly need.

1,177 posted on 04/12/2012 8:32:04 PM PDT by caww
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To: sand lake bar

McCain is bought and paid for by Soros. How much worse can it get? He tried to arm muzzie terrorists in Kosovo, pushed for ground troops in Libya and wants us to go in to Syria. He authored the most anti-Constitutional law ever made a law. He gutted laws that protect American POWs. He did more to push for cap&trade laws than any other congresscritter bar none.

1,178 posted on 04/12/2012 8:36:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

He can also be quoted to the right of center on the very same issues.

Romney has three positions for every issue. Just tell him which one you'd like to hear and he'll fill you in.

And although it is certainly true that most people do not cast their votes according to who is at the bottom of the ticket, just enough do take that into consideration to make it appealing for Gov. Romney to select Paul Ryan (if the latter can be persuaded to accept the position). It might just tip the balance, in Wisconsin, to the GOP.

That would be an interesting play on Romney's behalf. I'll keep an eye out for it, but I won't hold my breath. The folks pulling the GOP-e strings do not appear to be in the mood to toss the base a bone.

Are you suggesting, then, that some third-party candidate is more likely than Mitt Romney to win the presidency in November 2012?

That is not likely, I concede that. Not impossible, but at least improbable. So, no, that is not my suggestion. My suggestion is that the point is moot -- Romney is "winning" by out advertising the opponents in high population, but decidedly liberal, counties. He is "winning" like a democrat. And when the progressive liberal Romney with an "R" behind his name goes head to head with the progressive liberal Obama with a "D" behind his name ... he will lose. The same counties giving him victories today will turn on him in favor off Obama in November. The support that has gotten him this far will erode. He has lost before the first general election vote was cast. McCain was in a similar boat, and even the brilliant VP pick Palin could not rescue him.

So, my position is that we conservatives cannot win because the GOP has foisted a liberal progressive upon us ... pretending that he represents our values. The progressive liberal Romney cannot win because he cannot "out liberal" the progressive liberal Obama. So ... if ever there was a time to seed a 3rd party, give it a base, redirect RNC funding to it, and build a contender for future elections ... this is it. There is no downside and nothing to lose because there is no victory to be had this go round. That is, of course, assuming something "interesting" does not happen with the convention. I will keep my fingers crossed, eyes open, and prayers up. But this is the time to develop a contingency plan.

1,179 posted on 04/12/2012 8:37:10 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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Sorry, MHG, but I said nothing of the sort. I made it clear throughout that Romney...if he wins the nomination will get my vote...that hasn’t happened yet, so you can figure out the rest if you really want to.

I have also made it clear that Sarah, Cain, Santorum, and now Newt were my choices until that point.

That is all.

1,180 posted on 04/12/2012 8:41:49 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (
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