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Interesting analysis, if slightly dated.
1 posted on 04/10/2012 6:48:49 AM PDT by marktwain
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Seems to fit the circumstances and an excellent course for the defense to take if this gets to trial.

If it does not get to trial, I hope everyone is at a personal defcon2 status.


2 posted on 04/10/2012 7:09:13 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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I will add something it doesn’t address:

It is argued that Zimmerman chased down and caught Martin, who was running to his father’s place. But if you look at the timeline, Martin could have walked to his father’s house from Zimmerman twice after Zimmerman called the police. So why was he still so close to Zimmerman’s truck when he died.

I think the actual timeline supports that he left and hid, and when Zimmerman turned around he attacked him from behind, just as Zimmerman says.


3 posted on 04/10/2012 7:12:53 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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There’s a lot of stuff about the timing of the 911 call that I didn’t know before and the press appears to have gone out of its way to conceal. Now the only question is the exact events that occurred when Martin approached Zimmerman near the end since it is clear the Zimmerman gave up his pursuit so Martin had to double back on him. Did Martin sucker punch Zimmerman? Did Zimmerman draw on Martin when he first saw him so Martin was defending himself? Or did something in between occur? I really don’t know and the only witness is Zimmerman.


4 posted on 04/10/2012 7:20:51 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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If the facts prove Zimmermann was not at fault, then he should seek damages from NBC, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.


5 posted on 04/10/2012 7:21:35 AM PDT by BeckB
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Analysis does not matter.
Logic does not matter.
Rationality does not matter.
Facts do not matter.
Jurisprudence does not matter.

Only what the Bolshevik mob “feels” matters.

They “feel” that a little boy was murdered in cold blood by a big, evyl “White-Hispanic” man (whatever that is) with a Jew-sounding name carrying an evyl (gasp!) gun.

Now they “feel” that the evyl White-Hispanic man (whatever that is) with the Jew-sounding name who was carrying an evyl (gasp!) gun must be brought to “justice”, whatever it is they “feel” that is.


6 posted on 04/10/2012 7:22:17 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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If someone assaulted you from behind, punched you in the face, then took you to the ground and pummeled your head repeatedly into a sidewalk would you reasonably believe that was "Imminent death or great bodily harm"?

This is not "a fact." It is the story told by Mr. Zimmerman. It is a contention, not a fact.

It is a fact there was a fight. How that fight started we do not know. It is likely, based on witness testimony, that Zimmerman was losing the fight when he fired and was indeed in reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm at that point.

But there are a number of things Zimmerman could have done to precipitate the fight, constituting assault, and therefore preventing him from claiming self defense.

Since nobody (alive) but Zimmerman is available to testify about what started the fight, we will never know what happened.

There is probably no evidence to contradict Mr. Zimmerman's testimony. This does not prove he is telling the truth, it only proves we can't prove he is lying.

If Martin were alive and Zimmerman dead, we would probably be in a similar situation. Martin would claim Zimmerman attacked him, armed, and he defended himself. We would probably be unable to prove otherwise.

10 posted on 04/10/2012 7:30:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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After reading a gazillion articles, including diagrammed maps of the events I come to one conclusion:
Trayvon felt 'dissed' by Zimmerman's initial questioning. And after going back to daddy's GF Townhouse (per a published diagrammed map of events) his anger at being 'dissed' built up and Trayvon went back to Zimmerman mad as hell, confronted him on the sidewalk near Zimmerman's car then cold-cocked him knocking him to the ground. When 'Tray' had Zimmerman on the ground he started banging his head on the sidewalk/ground plus punching his face.

The fight itself just happened to be in front of the window of witness 'John', who confirmed Zimmerman's story of the beating to the PD.

Ergo, the shooting was justified, or as some call it 'righteous'. One or two more head whacks to the ground could have 'done it'. Death or permanent Brain Damage and life as a vegetable for Zimmerman.

And Trayvon's own MySpace and Twitter account writing sure shot a hole in the story of him being an angelic little kid. He was a 17yo gangsta with a dirty ghetto mouth who would for sure take offense to being 'dissed'.

Case closed.

12 posted on 04/10/2012 7:42:43 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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I would have said a “person” not “body” the way it turned out.


18 posted on 04/10/2012 8:00:48 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Interesting and worth keeping.


20 posted on 04/10/2012 8:10:42 AM PDT by CitizenM (Obama studied our Constution out of hate for America, not out of love for our laws.)
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Talking with a friend of mine, he said something interesting.
He is connected to the local State Patrol.

In some places, 911 operators work under/have a commission from the local sheriff/state patrol.

SOMETIMES 911 warnings/direction DO CARRY THE FORCE OF LAW!

Just mentioning it because I don’t want fellow FReepers to automatically assume something a 911 operator says is “just a suggestion”. So people should check their local jurisdictions.


21 posted on 04/10/2012 8:19:58 AM PDT by djf (Obama - the "OJ verdict" of presidents!!)
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BTTT


25 posted on 04/10/2012 8:37:37 AM PDT by varon (The patriots stand watch!)
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"Are you following him"? To which Mr. Zimmerman replies "Yes" the operator says "Ok we don't need you to do that". There are two very important points to take away from this as there seems to be some confusion here."

What makes it confusing is a few seconds before, the same operator tells Zimmerman (twice) "Just let us know if he does anything else". Kind of hard to do if you don't have eyes on the suspect. Zimmerman followed directions.

26 posted on 04/10/2012 8:43:04 AM PDT by moehoward
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The night started with a 911 call from Mr. Zimmerman about a suspicious looking person walking through the neighborhood. Mr. Martin was a guest in the neighborhood and was difficult to identify by familiarity. The 911 dispatcher asked for identifying characteristics of Mr. Martin to which Mr. Zimmerman replied a black male in jeans with a hooded sweat shirt. This brings us to our first question.

I've only gotten to the first paragraph of "facts," and there are already 2 errors... good grief...

1)Zimmerman didn't call 911. He called the non-emergency police number.

2) Zimmerman did not volunteer that Trayvon was black. He was specifically asked if the guy was "white, black or Hispanic."

27 posted on 04/10/2012 8:57:05 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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[[What’s important is that we the citizens have the proper information]]

Whaqt world are you living in? That’s NOT what is important- the ONLY thing important in this case is whether you are black or white- IF you arwe black, then Martin was just an innocent lkittle child goign to the storwe to get skittles, and the big mean ‘white’ george zimmerman was out on pastrol hoping to hunt down innocent little black kids because he was swo racist-

The black community does NOT care abotu hte FACVTS- PERIOD! They and the media are determiend to make htis abotu ‘justice ofr trayvon’ despite the fact that zimmerman ONLY shot him as a last resort in an effort to save hisw own life as trasyvon went for his gun.

None of hte FACTS matter to hte black community- George zimmernman in their mind visciously hunterd down Trayvon like an animal, and shot him in cold blood DESPITE ALL the FACTS to the contrary- they want this to be abotu raqce, and by damn, that’s exactly what this IS goign to be about!


28 posted on 04/10/2012 9:16:57 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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Because Martin was black, Zimmerman was supposed to let him give him brain damage or kill him. That’s the Left’s argument. And teenagers can kill adults. It happens over and over.


35 posted on 04/10/2012 10:04:03 AM PDT by Crucial
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