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Newborn Seized in Hospital by Police, Social Worker
Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA) ^ | March 27, 2012 | Michael P. Farris, Esq.

Posted on 03/28/2012 7:52:10 AM PDT by Sopater

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To: Sopater
These vaccines do more than bother me, they scare me as it's quite unlikely they've been tested against newborns. That would be considered unethical. However, there's reason to believe that giving any vaccine too early is dangerous. See A comment on Rolf Zinkernagel seminar in 2006 on immunity, vaccines and young mice
81 posted on 03/28/2012 1:19:16 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

It’s possible but EXTREMELY rare for something like that to happen. When I did my internship with DFS there was a case I was involved in where a woman came into the ER with her baby and the doctor took immediate emergency custody of the child to keep the woman from leaving with the baby. The DFS case managers that I worked with were stunned that a doctor would do that, My immediate supervisor said flat out “It is nearly ungeard of for that to happen”. The reason for this was because the mother was upset that a hotline call had been made because the story of “She fell in the bathtub”, didn’t match with the symptoms of Shaken baby syndrome that the child presented.


82 posted on 03/28/2012 1:39:48 PM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: Sopater

You would be surprised how the situation changes when you pick up a cellphone or videocamera and ask the social worker, nurse, or physician to repeat their demands and threats “for the record”.

It also helps to assert that they are overstepping their rightful bounds, and ask to see their supervisor.

As for shots, when you sign the admission forms, add a line that says you must approved each medication separately; then remind the nurse or physician that “informed consent” requires you to be specifically iinformed about each medication, and that giving medication to either you or your baby without your express consent is criminal assault ... of course, while it is being recorded.

A lot of this stuff would end immediately if it were recorded. And the Supreme Court has agreed that citizens have the right to record any interaction with a public servant.


83 posted on 03/28/2012 2:05:13 PM PDT by Mack the knife
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To: slowhandluke
...it's quite unlikely they've been tested against newborns. That would be considered unethical.

So it's unethical to "test" them on newborns, but not to administer them to newborns without testing? I don't get these people.
84 posted on 03/28/2012 2:39:55 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Mack the knife
You would be surprised how the situation changes when you pick up a cellphone or videocamera and ask the social worker, nurse, or physician to repeat their demands and threats “for the record”.

Thanks for this sound advice. I think I'll exercise that good judgement next time I'm in a similar situation.
85 posted on 03/28/2012 2:43:10 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: CodeToad

“You idiots and your conspiracy theories are always full of crap.”

I think this thread had a lot to do with government workers with an enormous amount of power flying off the handle and doing illegal and egregious things in retaliation, if not just sheer caprice.

All I have to say to your little outburst is:

QED.


86 posted on 03/28/2012 3:19:13 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: CodeToad
Hospital staff cannot “take custody”.

Out of curiosity on what grounds do you make this statement?

87 posted on 03/28/2012 4:21:53 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter Is No Longer The Worst President To Have Served In My Lifetime.)
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To: 1malumprohibitum

“You do realize that it is transmitted via blood/semen”

I realize enough to know that a person doesn’t have to be sexually active nor be an IV drug user in order to be infected.

Many who have had the virus for decades aren’t aware of it until very late in life, if then. They may have been infected during a blood transfusion from years earlier.

Then they passed it on to their kid, and so on.

Then think of an infected child [maybe one from another country with an infected blood transfusion] biting your child to the point of blood transfer.

If someone has concerns and feels the risk of the vaccine is greater than the risk of infection, they can opt out.


88 posted on 03/28/2012 5:16:33 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: Sopater

I don’t like the thought of my grand-baby having any of the vaccinations either because there are risks, even if not huge ones.

But my boys had the vaccinations and they’re strong and healthy - both of them over 6’2” and 180 pounds! And they’re intelligent and hard-working conservatives to boot, thankfully!

However I do understand what you’re saying and it is very frustrating about the extreme views, makes it tough. When you’re doing internet research, try keeping in mind that the info may be coming from someone with an agenda. So maybe it would ease your mind if you were able to talk to other parents at church, peds office, etc., regarding pros and cons.


89 posted on 03/28/2012 5:57:23 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: heartwood
OH i know, just was throwing it out there.. I almost delivered a baby in the elevator about 30yrs ago, just a young N.A.
90 posted on 03/28/2012 6:26:42 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: heartwood

My cousin is a midwife. When my daughter was born, my cousin’s prenatal estimate of the birth weight was more accurate than the one made by our physician - MD/GP.


91 posted on 03/29/2012 1:36:40 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: NTHockey
How about theft, unlawful possession of stolen property

or perhaps just kidnapping.

92 posted on 03/29/2012 1:39:40 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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