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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Too bad he didn’t teach Treyvon not to punch people in the nose and beat them on the ground.

And too bad somebody didn't teach the shooter Zimmerman not to chase an innocent person and confront them on a public street.

Seems like you forget that this kid had every right to stand his ground when Zimmerman ran up on him and began the actions that resulted in a shooting and a death.

Would you stand there and let someone run up on you and under the authority of just having a firearm treat you any old kind of way and not attempt to defend yourself?

This kid Treyvon had the right of self defense just like anyone else has when accosted by a stranger behaving in a threatening fashion.

And Zimmerman was a threat
14 posted on 03/24/2012 11:10:39 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Rooivalk

Would you stand there and let someone run up on you and under the authority of just having a firearm treat you any old kind of way and not attempt to defend yourself?
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There is absolutely NO evidence of this. NONE...zero.

“Trayvon said, ‘What, are you following me for?’ and the man said, ‘What are you doing here?’ Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn’t answer the phone.”

Zimmerman had as much right to follow Trayvon as Trayvon had to walk wherever he wanted around the complex.

It is likely, though I have no proof, that after Trayvon questions Zimmerman, then Zimmerman questions back—Trayvon threw the first punch or shoved.

Zimmerman knew the police were on the way, it doesn’t make sense he would have shoved or hit Trayvon.

If Trayvon was frightened of Zimmerman following him, Trayvon could have called 911, he had a phone on him. He didn’t.


27 posted on 03/24/2012 11:21:12 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Rooivalk
Did Zimmerman attack Martin. Martin was only a 100 yards from his house a 15 sec sprint or less for a 17 yoa football player.

Why didn't Martin simple run to his house and call the cops.

A lot of people are saying Zimmerman did this and that. What did Martin do and what didn't he do.

28 posted on 03/24/2012 11:21:31 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Rooivalk
Seems like you forget that this kid had every right to stand his ground when Zimmerman ran up on him and began the actions that resulted in a shooting and a death.

I think you need to read a few more articles about what "really happened" in the incident. It is a tragedy that the 17 year old is dead. FACT. The police report and the eye witnesses will testify in the trial if it ever gets that far. This will not be tried in the press, except in the minds of the MSM and the turkeys who are trying to promoted race hatred for political causes.

There is evidence that Zimmerman was on his back with Treyvon beating him before he pulled the gun and shot him. The 17 year old is not as pictured in the media, he was 6'2" tall and weighed 160 lbs. This will eventually be revealed, but the Dems, MSM and race pimps are playing this to the hilt.

30 posted on 03/24/2012 11:22:38 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Rooivalk
Seems like you forget that this kid had every right to stand his ground when Zimmerman ran up on him and began the actions that resulted in a shooting and a death.

Can you point me toward your source for this version? Or are you making it up as you go along?

32 posted on 03/24/2012 11:25:57 AM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: Rooivalk
You might want to learn a few more fact before you assume...per witness and second 911 tape Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him...Zimmerman is heard on the tape yelling for help while getting beaten then you hear one shot....evidence now seem to show a fight for the gun..(the gun an auto did not rack a new round after firing cuts on martins hand as if he was holding the slide when the gun fired)....police reports show Zimmerman was hit about the face and grass stains on his back to support the witness statement that Zimmerman was on his back being beaten with Martin on top
41 posted on 03/24/2012 11:32:20 AM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: Rooivalk
You might want to learn a few more fact before you assume...per witness and second 911 tape Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him...Zimmerman is heard on the tape yelling for help while getting beaten then you hear one shot....evidence now seem to show a fight for the gun..(the gun an auto did not rack a new round after firing cuts on martins hand as if he was holding the slide when the gun fired)....police reports show Zimmerman was hit about the face and grass stains on his back to support the witness statement that Zimmerman was on his back being beaten with Martin on top
42 posted on 03/24/2012 11:32:29 AM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: Rooivalk

I like your way if thinking. Now apply it to a man who did what 911 said and walked away but was an attacked from behind by this “innocent child”.
Did he have the same right to defend himself?


48 posted on 03/24/2012 11:36:16 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Sometimes the road less traveled.... is less traveled for a reason.)
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To: Rooivalk
Seems like you forget that this kid had every right to stand his ground when Zimmerman ran up on him and began the actions that resulted in a shooting and a death.

Got a few things wrong don't you? For one Zimmerman didn't "run upon" Martin. He lost sight of him and was returning to his truck. 911 tapes confirm this. The kid followed him and attacked him, that isn't "standing his ground" or self defense, it is assault.

Regardless of whether he was pissed off or not, the kid had no business, or reason, to attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman is the one who had the right to self defense, not the kid, since the kid was the attacker, without cause BTW.

70 posted on 03/24/2012 11:53:24 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Rooivalk

“Zimmerman was a threat”

How? Did he attack Martin? Did he pull his gun as Martin was walking by and open fire?

In America, it is legal for someone to ask you what you are doing. And it is legal to reply, “None of your business”.

It is not legal to respond by jumping on them & breaking their nose...


104 posted on 03/24/2012 1:01:28 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Rooivalk
And too bad somebody didn't teach the shooter Zimmerman not to chase an innocent person and confront them on a public street.

Zimmerman had ceased following Tray-Vawn and was walking back to his SUV when Tray-Vawn blind-sided him.

Try to keep up.

123 posted on 03/24/2012 1:38:54 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Rooivalk
too bad somebody didn't teach the shooter Zimmerman not to chase an innocent person and confront them on a public street.

That is speculation and is not indicated by anything released as yet.

It might proove true but I doubt it.

179 posted on 03/24/2012 3:24:52 PM PDT by norton
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To: Rooivalk

Seems some people think stand your grounds only applies to some. The black kid was not doing anything illegal.


182 posted on 03/24/2012 5:09:13 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Rooivalk
The other side of the story:

Zimmerman was done. He was walking back to his truck. The kid jumped him. That's what the witnesses say. That's what the cops think. And that is why Zimmerman has not been arrested, or charged.

So in your version (Zimmerman)....ran up on him and began the actions that resulted in shooting and a death.
You are 180 degrees out. Zimmerman was going the other way when the kid ran up on him. The kid was 100 feet from his residence. He could have simply gone in. Had he done so he would still be with us. Instead the kid decked Zimmerman, the smaller man, was pounding him into the ground with his fists, and THEN got shot while Zimmerman was screaming for help. The survivor of the encounter says this. The witnesses say this. The 911 call corroborates this.

BTW, the MSM is calling Zimmerman, "A White Hispanic" the first use of that term in English, never mind journalism. Makes about as much sense as calling Obama a "White Negro."

Zimmerman was conducting surveillance on private property; doing a job he was elected by his neighbors to do. Yup. He might be a real jerk. But since neither do we try, nor convict people in the press, we'll just have to wait and see if he goes to trial. Until that point all we know is what you read in the papers and what I read in the police report. Perhaps we should switch?

194 posted on 03/24/2012 6:33:25 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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