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GBI investigating SWAT team shooting of Iraq war vet in Appling County standoff
jacksonville.com ^ | 21 Feb 2012 | Terry Dickson

Posted on 02/21/2012 8:54:11 PM PST by smokingfrog

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is probing the weekend shooting death of an Iraq war veteran in an armed standoff near Appling County’s Surrency community, Appling Sheriff Bennie DeLoach said.

Neighbors of James M. Dixon III, 31, called the Sheriff’s Office about 3:50 a.m. Sunday to say someone had fired a shot through their house, DeLoach said in a release.

Deputies went to Dixon’s house but decided for safety reasons to wait until daylight before confronting whoever fired the shot, DeLoach said.

As they waited, Dixon left the house and drove to his parents’ house about a half mile away on Holland Road Extension, Chief Deputy Lee J. Sweat Jr. said.

Deputies were not in position to stop Dixon but tried to stop him as he came back home, Sweat said.

“When he returned, he ran through a [partial] roadblock and we pursued him,’’ but Dixon made it back into his house, Sweat said.

The Georgia State Patrol SWAT team came to the scene and took over, and Dixon came outside the house just before 9 a.m. armed with a shotgun, DeLoach said.

When Dixon refused orders to put down the weapon, the SWAT team fired on him hitting him twice, Sweat said.

(Excerpt) Read more at jacksonville.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: banglist; donutwatch; militarizedpolice; policestate; ptsd; rapeofliberty; swat; swatabuse; triggerhappy
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I don't like the sound of this one.
1 posted on 02/21/2012 8:54:23 PM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Damn.


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3 posted on 02/21/2012 9:16:51 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: smokingfrog

“Dixon had served several tours in Iraq and had friends among the Appling County deputies, Sweat said.
“It’s a regrettable situation,’’ Sweat said.
Dixon’s older sister, Serran Aaron, said her brother suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and was 100 percent disabled.”

Wow, these cops really went out on a limb for their buddy. It seems like cops these days are really trigger happy and trained accordingly. So his “friends” at the Sherrifs department gunned a sick man down like a dog. I recall a story where a mentally retarded teenager was shot down after being badly burned in a vehicle accident. He was jumping around “acting erratically and growling” instead of following deputy dog’s commands. So they shot him down. He refused to lay down on hot asphalt with first degree burns all over his body.


4 posted on 02/21/2012 9:22:16 PM PST by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: smokingfrog
I don't like the sound of this one.

Me neither; but, and I really hate to say it, it seems like the police are being trained to kill anyone who does not OBEY.
Yes, he had a weapon; he was in fear for his life. (Combat-zone mentality.)
No, the was not an immediate threat; he was not threatening anyone else or behaving in an actually violent manner.
...and yet they (the police) say the need/opportunity to kill him.

5 posted on 02/21/2012 9:48:53 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: DariusBane
It seems like cops these days are really trigger happy and trained accordingly.

I just said much the same thing.

I recall a story where a mentally retarded teenager was shot down after being badly burned in a vehicle accident. [...] He refused to lay down on hot asphalt with first degree burns all over his body.

That doesn't sound retarded at all to me.
What does sound retarded is: vehicle-accident survivor* —> shoot-him!

* Esp considering a vehicle accident could easily be a cause for traumatic brain injury, in which case that "acting erratically" is actually a symptom.

6 posted on 02/21/2012 9:55:04 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: smokingfrog

Judge jury and executioner.

Not saying it is smart to hold a gun after cops say to put it down - but - shooting the guy for disobeying? Where was the imminent threat?

When did “not rapidly following police orders outside your own house” turn into reason to use deadly force?


7 posted on 02/21/2012 9:56:36 PM PST by Eldon Tyrell (question,.)
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To: Eldon Tyrell

So, I guess if I’m sitting on MY front porch (private property) with my rifle across my lap and a cop drives up, rolls down the window and tells me to put down the gun, he has the right to kill me if I don’t “OBEY” the POWER.


8 posted on 02/21/2012 10:02:34 PM PST by Terry Mross (Difference between a conservative / liberal-obvious. Difference between a rep and a dem? None)
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To: smokingfrog
Air guns with tranquillizer darts should be part of any SWAT team's arsenal.
9 posted on 02/21/2012 10:07:07 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Eldon Tyrell

As an old cop and former mil I can tell you how I would have handled the situation.

I would have just walked up and said lets talk.

I have seen officers that could turn a jay walking into a riot and then I have seen officers that could turn a riot into just a jay walking.

In the end its whether you honor the code: To SERVE AND PROTECT


10 posted on 02/21/2012 10:07:49 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Steve Newton

Thanks Steve!


11 posted on 02/21/2012 10:18:49 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
Not again...

Prayers for his family.

12 posted on 02/22/2012 12:19:49 AM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: smokingfrog
There has never been a situation that could not be made worse by the presence of the police.
13 posted on 02/22/2012 1:09:33 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Obozo deserves another term: IN LEAVENWORTH. 25 to life sounds about right!)
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To: OneWingedShark
Yes, he had a weapon...No, the was not an immediate threat

Only if he was asleep.

14 posted on 02/22/2012 1:29:04 AM PST by papertyger
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To: smokingfrog

No, I did not watch the video, but just wondering if this might have been a case of suicide by LEO.

Thank you for your service Marine. RIP

Prayers up.


15 posted on 02/22/2012 4:25:16 AM PST by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

How about slipping the suspect a Mickey Finn at his favorite bar?


16 posted on 02/22/2012 4:28:58 AM PST by BilLies ( It's Black History Month..Don't forget the 330,000 White Northerners who died 1861-5 to Free Slaves)
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To: Steve Newton

You sound to have a very good head on your shoulders, I would of done to same to a brother in arms, however to serve and protect doesn’t seem to hold much sway anymore. It seems to be the “Us and them” mentality.


17 posted on 02/22/2012 4:48:53 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“Air guns with tranquillizer darts should be part of any SWAT team’s arsenal. “

No they shouldn’t. If they are given a new “tool” they’ll find a way to abuse it.


18 posted on 02/22/2012 5:40:15 AM PST by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: OneWingedShark

You are correct. Brain injury is very often leads to violent and irrational behavior. This behavior of a stunned, injured motorist can lead to a field execution by a cowardly cop who has no desire to sort things out. Much easier to just start shooting. Safer for the cop who just wants to preserve his own skin and his gubment cheese fueled lifestyle.


19 posted on 02/22/2012 6:12:36 AM PST by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Eldon Tyrell

These cops knew this guy. Story says he was “friends” with some of the deputies. We can infer that this man and his disability were well known. Yet cops seem to specialize in making a bad situation worst.


20 posted on 02/22/2012 6:18:18 AM PST by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: DariusBane

Requiring someone to lay down on asphalt shouldn’t even be legal. That gets hot enough to cause injury.


21 posted on 02/22/2012 7:49:24 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Tranquilizers wouldn’t be as much fun as an mp5.


22 posted on 02/22/2012 7:52:15 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: LevinFan

23 posted on 02/22/2012 8:10:54 AM PST by Lazamataz (If you only think about a diet, only your brain loses weight.)
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To: Steve Newton
I saw a video of a sheriff trying to do what you said you would do.

His last words were "we've known each other a long time" .....then BOOM! The guy shot him point blank.

That whole Andy Griffith Mayberry thing has great potential for catastrophic failure.

Just saying...

24 posted on 02/22/2012 8:12:27 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: DariusBane

Cops have forgotten that hazarding their lives to protect innocents is part of the job. Instead, they resort to maximum force the moment their lives are at risk.
There was a swat case where a woman and girl were held into custody while their home was searched. The holding officer shot the dog. (you knew that was coming). Another officer paniced and sprayed the wall, killing one and wounding the other. There were no consequences because he was “into fear for his life”


25 posted on 02/22/2012 8:13:38 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: Lazamataz

I shouldn’t laugh at your picture, but I did. But that is the way they seem to see it, as a really good games of Call of Duty.


26 posted on 02/22/2012 8:20:16 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: Manic_Episode

I know

But to me that was part of the job. Get it done and try not to hurt anyone.

But your right

Sometimes crap happens


27 posted on 02/22/2012 8:40:11 AM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Manic_Episode

>That whole Andy Griffith Mayberry thing has great potential for catastrophic failure.
>Just saying...

And, as this incident shows, this style of approach ALSO has potential for great failure... unless, that is, you are willing to discount the shedding of innocent blood as failure.


28 posted on 02/22/2012 9:21:26 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: DariusBane

Jeeezzz,,, I can’t believe that service in Iraq doesn’t allow a guy to shoot his neighbors house, run through police roadblocks, and run grab a shotgun to confront cops with! They should have just let him do anything he pleased,, forever,, with no limits!
Glad this guy won’t be a menace anymore. Sad that it went this way, but the failure was long before this night. It was that he wasnt locked in a nuthouse.
He should have never been living on his own if he was so screwed up by ptsd that he cannot refrain from being a danger to the community.
Sounds like those cops gave him a lot of latitude,,, they waited till daylight instead of pushing the issue too fast,, they let him LEAVE. They let him return,, they let him into the house to retrieve his shotgun.


29 posted on 02/22/2012 9:36:04 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: OneWingedShark

Although its sad that his life went that way, he gets no special latitude to go get a shotgun and go confront the cops. Anything the family says about his service might be true,,, the ptsd might be true,, but that just explains how he got there. It didn’t give him license,,
Lots of violent criminals were victims of horrifying abuse as small innocent children. It explains some things for us,,, but we never excuse what they did. Same for this kid, the neighbor has a right to not live in fear, no matter how honorable his service was.
This guy sounds like he should have been institutionalized. His own sister says he sometimes had hallucinations that he was actually IN Iraq.
Lots of vets have flashbacks,, but for most, its a whiff a diesel or jet exhaust that gives you that ‘oh yeah’ memory,, its the unexpected firework at Disneyland that makes you jump right out of your skin, or hit the deck,,and feel kinda embarrassed in front of people. But if that boy actually couldnt tell reality from delusion,,, and people knew it, he should have been an inpatient somewhere.
But i’m sure a lot of people will be blaming themselves for a long time.


30 posted on 02/22/2012 10:17:53 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: dljordan
[No they shouldn’t. If they are given a new “tool” they’ll find a way to abuse it.]

You're right. In my town the tranquillizer darts would be used to obtain women for “dates.”

31 posted on 02/22/2012 10:22:58 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: smokingfrog

I don’t think there’s anybody who despises arrogant power-mad cops as much as I do – however – because I’m getting a little older and am starting to use my head for something other than a hat rack, I have to ask – there seems to be more to this story than is being told in the thread. 1) Did the man in any way point the weapon (shotgun) at any cop or bystander? 2) Did the man in any way endanger anyone? If he simply STOOD there on his own property holding the shotgun by his side or maybe even at port arms, what was the decision to shoot to kill (could not have been any other intention) based on? There’s gotta be more to this than the thread originally indicated. As much as I dislike police ignorance, I have a difficult time believing that this man was shot to death for simply standing in his yard holding a shotgun. Yeah, the OBEY thing is significant. But – what was the situation? DID HE THREATEN ANYBODY? I live way out in the boonies and routinely do yard work with a sidearm on me and a rifle close by - like on the truck seat. Barney is NOT going to disarm me if I am no threat to anybody. If I was crazy drunk shooting up passing cars, yeah - I could understand that. BUT - standing in my own yard HOLDING a shotgun?


32 posted on 02/22/2012 10:48:12 AM PST by Nathaniel (- A Man Without A Cross -)
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To: DesertRhino
Although its sad that his life went that way, he gets no special latitude to go get a shotgun and go confront the cops.

It is interesting that you should phrase it this way; as it brings up a VERY important point.
The Second Amendment says: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
(This version, with a single comma, is that which was ratified by the several states. See this and this.)

The intent of this is obvious: the government cannot disallow the right to keep and use (bear) arms, because that is deleterious to a free state. (The colloquial would be "the first step toward permanently institutionalizing tyranny.") So then the police, being agents of the State, must be included in those who are prohibited from infringing upon that right.

Given the above, a person simply carrying a weapon cannot be justification enough for the police to kill.
Furthermore, as the entire 2nd amendment would be worse than useless if there was an obligation for the citizen to obey any/all orders given by an officer of the state, the failure to obey [police] commands also cannot be held to justify the use of lethal force by agents of the state.

Anything the family says about his service might be true,,, the ptsd might be true,, but that just explains how he got there. It didn’t give him license,,

No, but this leads to the question of "a free state," for it is undoubtedly a free state's militia to which the 2nd Amendment applies. (The actuality is much more broad, as the right is guaranteed to 'the people' not the militia, that is another topic, however, and irrelevant to this case because it must needs be a superset of the militia.)

So, is it a free state when a police officer can shoot someone for a) possessing a weapon, and b) refusing to obey their orders, while c) not in the commission of an actual crime?

Lots of violent criminals were victims of horrifying abuse as small innocent children. It explains some things for us,,, but we never excuse what they did. Same for this kid, the neighbor has a right to not live in fear, no matter how honorable his service was.

Irrelevant; this man was shot not for something that he did, but for something he did not do; to wit: he refused to be [illegally] disarmed.

This guy sounds like he should have been institutionalized.

Perhaps, but that is actually tangential to the actual shooting; the reason I say this is that the government is prohibited from ending someone's life without due process (the 5th amendment). That he was not actually in an institution is irrelevant to the issue, which is that the police were acting contrary to the Constitution. Even if there are laws they may have been acting under, those laws should provide no protection for them BECAUSE their actions were so contrary to the Constitution.

But i’m sure a lot of people will be blaming themselves for a long time.

Perhaps, perhaps not. It is amazing what one can rationalize.

33 posted on 02/22/2012 11:09:01 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Nathaniel
Yeah, the OBEY thing is significant.

I would say the opposite, that 'failure to obey' is insignificant; see my post 33.

I have to ask – there seems to be more to this story than is being told in the thread. 1) Did the man in any way point the weapon (shotgun) at any cop or bystander? 2) Did the man in any way endanger anyone? [...] what was the decision to shoot to kill (could not have been any other intention) based on? [...] 3) DID HE THREATEN ANYBODY?

Those are good questions, and as the article did not say otherwise I assume the answers to be: 1) No. 2) No. 3) No.

Why?
Because a story like this would be much more sensational if any of those were 'yes,' given the political/media stance on returning veterans.

34 posted on 02/22/2012 11:16:31 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
wow...the incompetents allowed him to drive away, without making a stop, then halfassed tried to keep him from returning home, back inside, and he comes out with a shotty...

yeah, a shotty is lethal, but I doubt the po-po shoulda been so skeered, being as tho they had numbers and ranged weapons, and the will to use em...

35 posted on 02/22/2012 11:45:41 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: OneWingedShark

You are correct - the FAILURE to “OBEY” is the thing.


36 posted on 02/22/2012 12:25:47 PM PST by Nathaniel (- A Man Without A Cross -)
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To: Nathaniel

The story is thin on details, but it sounds like the cops bungled the whole thing from start to finish.


37 posted on 02/22/2012 1:25:34 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: OneWingedShark

You seem to be forgetting that the LEO were called to the scene because a round had been sent through the neighbor’s house and he was apparently believed to be the shooter.

That is an indication that he was a danger and his further refusal to engage in a reasonable conversation regarding the event, but instead get a weapon indicates that he is a danger times 2.


38 posted on 02/22/2012 1:33:10 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: DesertRhino

Dixon was known to be 100% disabled and suffering from advanced PTSD. They killed him when they turned the scene over to SWAT. He needed psychiatric care, not gunfire. The Army failed him. The V.A. failed him. His community that he fought for and became disabled as a consequence of his combat failed him.

Dixon was a mess. He was a mess because of what “we” asked him to do.


39 posted on 02/22/2012 2:04:27 PM PST by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Manic_Episode

In which case, the Sheriff still did the Right Thing, and the Criminal unquestionably did the wrong thing.

We don’t need law enforcement officers who have have the same amount of regard for the law-abiding citizen as the average criminal.

We need peace officers who are willing to keep the peace—even at the cost of their own lives.

Peace officers who lose their lives making a reasonable effort to keep the peace die a hero’s death.

LEOs who shoot others on the flimsiest of excuses live a coward’s life.


40 posted on 02/22/2012 2:35:28 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Steve Newton

Thank you for your service. We need more peace officers like you.


41 posted on 02/22/2012 2:36:30 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

I am honored. Thank you.


42 posted on 02/22/2012 2:45:51 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Valpal1
You seem to be forgetting that the LEO were called to the scene because a round had been sent through the neighbor’s house and he was apparently believed to be the shooter.
That is an indication that he was a danger and his further refusal to engage in a reasonable conversation regarding the event, but instead get a weapon indicates that he is a danger times 2.

And there are STILL more indications that this was not [treated] a priority:

  1. The police waited hours to make any sort of action
  2. They allowed him to leave his home
  3. [From the article] he ran* past their blockade
    * I presume afoot, as there is no mention of vehicular collision in the article.
Further, Nothing in the story indicates the police made an attempt at reasonable conversation, so I cannot accept that as being an indicator that "he was a danger."
43 posted on 02/22/2012 3:15:37 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Altariel
To me that's like saying the electrician did the right thing and the electricity did the wrong thing so he died on the job.

The objective is to survive your day at work.

It is unreasonable to die on the job because of tactical error.

Screw that fantasy island utopia la la land crap, if it's me or them it aint gonna be me.

44 posted on 02/22/2012 3:29:41 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Manic_Episode

No, you’re comparing apples to harps.

A peace officer is not blamed if a criminal does the wrong thing (so long as the officer does the right thing).

An LEO is justly blamed if he values his own live above the constitutional rights and liberty of a law-abiding citizen.

If your objective is to survive your day at work, you’re in the wrong occupation.


45 posted on 02/22/2012 8:20:37 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
"If your objective is to survive your day at work, you’re in the wrong occupation."

==================================================

That's Darwin award logic.

46 posted on 02/22/2012 8:36:47 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Manic_Episode

No, that’s logic employed by a conservative.

Where would we be if the Founders believed their survival was their objective?

Where would we be if generations of peace officers and soldiers decided their survival was their objective?


47 posted on 02/22/2012 8:49:13 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
"Where would we be if generations of peace officers and soldiers decided their survival was their objective?"

==============================================

Right where we are, because that's how it is.

Why do you think cops wear vests and carry guns and train their butts off?

48 posted on 02/22/2012 9:16:33 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Manic_Episode

Wrong, as you yourself know because you deliberately ignored the first question.

Where would we be if the Founding Fathers decided their survival was their objective?


49 posted on 02/22/2012 9:49:30 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

That has nothing to do with law enforcement. Do you have ADD? Focus.


50 posted on 02/23/2012 7:05:21 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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