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To: daniel1212
The problem with Mann's lukewarm and generic Protestantism is that it can lead to a lukewarm and generic faith and the belief that one set of beliefs is as good as another and shallow commitment to the faith of one’s father and mother.

We know what Christ does with the lukewarm. He spits them out of His mouth

I certainly agree with removing the federal government from all involvement with education on absolutely every level. All of it should be returned to the states.

However....I oppose socialist schooling, even if districts were completely independent and the size of a city block or a suburban housing subdivision. There are several problems even if socialist schooling were this localized:

1) Finding agreement on the religious worldview, even among neighbors of a small neighborhood.

2) The risk that the socialist school would be lukewarm and generic in its religious worldivew, or godless secular.

3) Since it is impossible to have a religiously, politically, and socially neutral education, taxpayers would be forced to pay for a religious, political, and cultural worldview that they might find abhorrent, and students forced to use them.

4) Socialist-entitlement schools ( even in a district as small as a housing subdivision) are still **socialist** schools. Children risk learning that government and the voting mob have great power to give them tuition-free schooling. Well?...If the voting mob and government can force others to pay for tuition-free school, why not use that power to get **lots** of socialist goodies.

Mann was right about the Establishment Clause, but he was still dead wrong about socialist-entitlement and compulsory government owned and run schooling. It was a progressive idea from the beginning. Teacher training and curriculum development has always been under the control of progressives. Socialism inevitably leads to greater and greater centralization and greater and greater secularism, and eventual becomes more of a jobs program for the workers than a true social service.

Mann had good intentions but we know about intentions and the road to hell.

145 posted on 01/20/2012 8:49:50 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime

You are speaking truth, and my use of Mann was to illustrate that even one that in that compromised religion understood the Establishment Clause did not forbid reading the Bible and moral education based on it.


146 posted on 01/21/2012 2:23:44 AM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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