Skip to comments.Rick Santorum takes fourth place in New Hampshire
Posted on 01/11/2012 10:29:36 PM PST by Lazlo in PA
The final tally in the New Hampshire primary showed Rick Santorum clinched fourth place and Newt Gingrich took fifth, according to the New Hampshire secretary of state.
Throughout late Tuesday night and early yesterday morning when the votes were tallied, Gingrich had been fourth, but Santorum overtook him, beating him by just 138 votes, with 23,174 votes for Gingrich and 23,312 for Santorum.
It was the second close race for Santorum, who lost to Mitt Romney in the Iowa caucuses by eight votes.
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“It was the second close race for Santorum, who lost to Mitt Romney in the Iowa caucuses by eight votes.”
Are we sure about that? The 20-vote discrepancy has been reported more than once, and the results haven’t been certified yet...
Actually Santorum won Iowa — not willard.
2nd in Carolinas
The votes in IA haven’t been certified yet. I will be ecstatic if the establishment hacks there allow the truth to come out about the 20 votes and Rick is given the win. He earned it.
New Hampshire Primary
January 10, 2012
100% reporting (301/301)
Gingrich 9.4% 23,411
Santorum 9.4% 23,362
Something is amiss....
It's the Boston Globe playing divide and conquer.
Votes don’t count in a state till the Sec of State certifies. That is where discrepancies are cleared up and the real numbers are tallied. The Google numbers you cite are what the media gets their hands on and rush out to the public.
So does Santorum get anymore delegates than Gingrich for New Hampshire?
I think it is a one delegate difference from a thread last night I can’t find now. As it stands, this is the delegate count.
This race is far from over no matter how hard the MSM tries to saddle us with Milt.
2:25 PM ET | 100% reporting Candidate Votes Percent Delegates
Mitt Romney 97,532 39.3% 7
Ron Paul 56,848 22.9 3
Jon Huntsman 41,945 16.9 2
Newt Gingrich 23,411 9.4
Rick Santorum 23,362 9.4
Rick Perry 1,766 0.7
Others Show all 3,621 1.5
If both Newt and Santorum stay in, Romney will win. This is unavoidable. I think both have their pros and cons. If their commitment to conservatism is greater than their egos, perhaps they could settle who will drop out and endorse with rock paper scissors? Haha
Greta confirmed this 4th place tonight for Santorum in an interview with him. I believe that the official numbers were not released by the Sec of State till tonight.
A Quinniapac poll shows Santorum and Obama in a statisical tie in Florida, and as we all know FL is a swing state. By the time the General Election comes around, and Santorum gets even more name recognition, I believe Santorum would win against Obama by a landslide.
All GOP presidential candidates have their pros and cons, whether it's a legendary conservative like Ronald Reagan or an uber-RINO like Nelson Rockefeller. IMO, with Cain and Bachmann gone, Santorum is the last decent conservative standing. Newt's has far more negatives than Rick Santorum.
- Endorsed Arlen Specter after being heavily pressured to do so by Karl Rove & GWB
- Defeated for re-election and lost home state by a 20-point margin in a bad year for the GOP.
- Happily endorsed the even more liberal Dede Scozzafava as a private citizen
- Happily endorsed establishment Republican Sen. Robert Bennett over tea party challenger (and now Senator) Mike Lee
- Aggressively supported and campaigned for liberal Congressman Wayne Gilchrist (R-MD) when he faced a conservative challenge from now-Congressman Andy Harris.
- Aggressively supported and campaigned for liberal Congressman Joe Schwarz (R-MI) when he was challenged by later Congressman Tim Walberg.
- Stepped down as Speaker in disgrace when GOP lost 5 seats on his watch
- Did "Global warming awareness" ad with Nancy Pelosi
- Had Global warming "debate" with John Kerry where he spent most of the "debate" agreeing with Kerry's points that human activity is what causes global warming and it's a drastic problem the government must "address immediately"
- Embarked on bi-partisan "educational reform" tour with Al Sharpton - "Reluntantly" supported the Wall Street bailouts (Santorum opposed TARP)
- Advocated for an individual health care mandate
- Called Paul Ryan's plan "Right-wing social engineering"
- Caved to Clinton after the government shutdown was blamed on Republicans
- Got slapped down by Clinton repeatedly during his Speakership and let Clinton take credit for the GOP's accomplishments.
- Thrice married, cheated on both his first two wives that latter became his new wife.
- Was boinking current wife when she was a staffer of his during the Clinton impeachment (thankfully, the media never found that out in 1998 or they would have had a field day with "Republican hypocrisy")
- Unfavorable ratings are in the toilet, public can't stand him
And we're supposed to ignore all that because Newt was a great leader for the conservative cause during the "Contract for America" days 18 years ago, and turns in solid debate performances now?
No, thanks. I'm not sipping that kool-aid. Between Newt and Rick Santorum, I know which one I'd rather have as the nominee and it's not the "gentleman from Georgia" who now claims to be a Catholic from Virginia.
fine - but what about Newt vs Romney?
Dont you think from a conservative pov it ranks:
Santorum > Newt > Romney > Paul
And if you had to pit Santourm vs Newt in terms of DC experience and political skills its Newt > Santorum.?
in a perfect world dontcha think:
1. Paul needs to be defeated.
2. Romney needs to be exposed.
3. Have it out between Santorum and Newt, best man wins?
Thats my best case scenario.
Yessss! go, Rick!
We cannot trust a president Gingrich. He is a needy, insecure man and will do what he feels will serve his hungry ego the best. Santorum is stable and can be entrusted with the country’s leadership. We don’t need a sparkly, hot tempered debater. We need a strong, steady conservative. Santorum will rise to the occasion and will Serve us. Newt serves newt.
Bonus: when an intern sashays into the oval office waving her thong around, Santorum will have her fired and investigated for a possible honey trap from enemies foreign and domestic. We don’t need to spell out what Gingrich would do.
That would probably be the consensus from most conservatives, although I personally rank Newt even worse than Romney. I think both of them are self-serving jerks who would run over their own grandmother to get elected, although Romney seems to have a picture-perfect family and have a squeaky clean private life, whereas Newt's "personal life" has been a train wreak (and his fans say if you don't accept that he's sincere about his "I found Jesus" stuff then you're either a bad Catholic or hate Catholics. Please.)
I think Romney has a shot of beating Obama, I think if Gingrich is the nominee it will be a repeat of Kathleen Harris or Christine O'Donnell at the national level. Not only will the Democrats have a field day and make this guy less popular than Darth Vader, but Newt driving away independents in droves could jeopardize many of our close races in Congress. I don't care if he's a great debater, so is Alan Keyes and look at his totals in political campaigns. Under no circumstances should Newt be the nominee, it would be a disaster for the GOP. Just remember you were warned.
If I was evaluating them solely on their "conservative record", (and ignoring the other 90% factors that make up a campaign), then yes, Gingrich is "better" than Romney. But since Gingrich ran in a strongly conservative Georgia district and Romney ran in Massachusetts, he doesn't get any brownie points for that either. (neither does Rick Perry by being conservative in Texas because he needs to be)
>> And if you had to pit Santourm vs Newt in terms of DC experience and political skills its Newt > Santorum.? <<
About even. Santorum was elected to Congress at age 32 by defeating an incumbent in a district that was majority RAT. The RATs redrew the district to make it even more RAT and Santorum continue to win when registered Dems outnumbered Republicans 3:1. He served three terms. That is a remarkable accomplishment. Santorum was then elected to the U.S. Senate by also defeating an incumbent in a statewide race, while running as an apologetic Reagan conservative in a northeast state that is hardly conservative a bastion of conservatism. He was named "most ambitious" of the freshman class by the Washington press and rose to become Senate Republican Conference Chairman. He was re-elected handily even as Gore carried the state and served as a Senator for 12 years before his downfall in the heavily Dem year of 2006.
Gingrich tried to defeat an incumbent Democrat in fairly conservative district, and failed both times. He then finally won the seat in an open race, and it was redrawn to be majority Republican as he won it repeatedly in races against token opponents for 20 years (representing Georgia's 6th from '78-'98). He rose up thru the ranks of the GOP, became whip, and got to be House Speaker thanks to leading the GOP cause in '94 and thanks to longtime GOP stalwart Bob Michell retiring. He proved to be a poor leader from 1995-1998 and stepped down in disgrace after the GOP lost 5 seats in a midterm election that was supposed to be favorable for them.
>> in a perfect world dontcha think: <<
>> 1. Paul needs to be defeated. <<
And he will be, regardless of what happens. He's doing better than he did in '08 but without crossover votes from Dems and Libertarian loons this guy is probably in single digits with actual Republicans. He won't win closed primaries. The GOP is not going to nominate a 80 year old Libertarian kook.
>> 2. Romney needs to be exposed. <<
And he will be, regardless of which Republican is running against him. Plus the mainstream media will be sure that he is "exposed" AFTER he is the nominee.
>> 3. Have it out between Santorum and Newt, best man wins? <<
Iowa and New Hampshire have given us vastly different outcomes and are very different electorates but with the final numbers now in from N.H., one this has proven to be consistent between Iowa and New Hampshire. Of the candidates going strictly after the CONSERVATIVE vote, Santorum gets the most votes (in both Iowa and N.H.), Gingrich gets the second highest, and then Perry is in a distant, distant third. Yet Newt's fans say he's the "front runner" and despite not winning a single county yet, everyone should drop out and throw their support to him. That seems to be a denial of reality.
>> Thats my best case scenario. <<
My best case scenario is Newt and Perry both leave the race (Perry is too much of a doofus to get anywhere, Gingrich is too damaged to "beat Obama"), although outspent, Santorum gets a tea party boost and beats Romney narrowly in the remaining primaries after it becomes a one-on-one fight, and Santorum names Susana Martinez as his running mate at the Republican National Convention this fall.
Pretty good scorecard ya got goin there.
The man spends every debate talking about I, I, I, me, me, me, over selling his meager senatorial accomplishments, pandering excuses for his failings and whining like the bratty, petulant Obama. Another failed lawyer, he attacks the 10th amendment, he voted for Medicare Part D, he choses the establishment over principle time and again, he's neocon interventionist and thinks gov't is the solution if only it were just a little more theocratic and involved in our personal lives. He's a dangerous charlatan. He's no conservative in ways that W was no conservative. The difference is W was not delusional enough to believe his own PR.
Santorum lacks the self-awareness to be a good president, even as good as W. I would not vote Santorum or Romney in the general.
In fact, functionally it’s pretty much like a second place finish. Ron Paul’s support is a not reflective of the conservation/GOP/TP base and Huntsman also was an aberration.
Anyway, you are hurting your Newt Gingrich and helping both Mitt and RuPaul with such negative behavior.
It won’t take Newt or Santorum dropping out for Romney to win. He has the momentum now, regardless.
I think if/when Newt drops out, his support will divide between Romney and Santorum. To the extent the support for Gingrich was based on him being Not Romney, it will go to Santorum.
The race will become a two-man race here shortly, whether or not anyone drops out first.
The reality is that Romney is very likely to be the nominee. Is it possible that Santorum could overtake him? Yes. But it’s more likely Santorum will give him a good challenge, but end up finishing a strong second overall.
Gingrich will quickly become a non-factor, except to the extent that his attacks on Romney push fiscal conservatives to Romney and social conservatives to Santorum. While his attacks have dented Romney a little bit, the political benefit has not redounded to Gingrich, nor will it in the future, imo.
An excellent analysis.
I do think Santorum could squeak out a win over Romney, but I think it’s more likely he will have some very strong showings at second place and end up as the VP.
I was looking with interest in Newt, but when he kept starting to shoot himself in the foot, Rick interested me more. The latter shows a sense of maturity and clear thinking. Plus it seems that Newt blows up too much. Rick stays calm even when he is offended.
Has that been proven yet? O'Keefe just showed ON CAMERA how easy it is to commit fraud in New Hampshire...who knows what happened in Iowa...
My sentiments, too. But I'm afraid our little Republican primary voters will never come around. But Santorum is steady. He should use that adjective in his advertising. I find him likeable, but others say he is an arrogant bore.
The dead and out of staters were voting for Paul in NH...
Unfortunately; Romney = second term for Obama.
The problem I haved with naming S. Martinez is not about her credentials at all, but that it would be a mere ploy to try to pick up moderqate Hispanic voters, most of whom are pre-committed to the Democratic Party. We just have to hope Santorum does not self-destruct in SC, but more likely he will run out of money by the time of FL. Gingrich, I believe, is already finished, as is Perry.
The problem I haved with naming S. Martinez is not about her credentials at all, but that it would be a mere ploy to try to pick up moderate Hispanic voters, most of whom are pre-committed to the Democratic Party. We just have to hope Santorum does not self-destruct in SC, but more likely he will run out of money by the time of FL. Gingrich, I believe, is already finished, as is Perry.
Good thinking; this says it all!
Though the odds are overwhelming, and more miracles are needed, at this point Santorum is our only possible candidate from the conservative viewpoint. Newton Leroy Gingrich will self-destruct if nominated; in fact, he can’t be nominated in my view.
I won’t concede that. If Romney gets the nomination, I’m going to vote for him as the nominee and do everything I can to make sure he gets elected.
Among other things: the Supreme Court.
I’d take anybody Mittens could nominate and get through the conservative base test (see Harriet Myers) over someone nominated by Obama and the Rats.
The stakes are different for me at the general election.
I agree, but Obama will beat Romney.
Santorum was in the state more than anyone other than
Huntsman. Romney never went after Rickie with negative ads.
It’s a terrible showing for Rickie the Sweater.
Gingrich, Santorum and Perry need to go to a pub for a few beers and sort this out before SC. If all three stay in, Romney will win SC by default and his momentum will then be unstoppable. I don’t think they can wait until FL to see who is going to be the conservative standard bearer for the remainder of the primaries.
The GOP seems to be headed for another pick based on the “it’s his turn” theory of mediocrity. This is the mentality which saw Dole get the nod in 1996 and McCain in 2008. The number 2 from the previous primary gets the brass ring, because they have the money, name recognition and establishment support which is very difficult to overcome by any newcomer. A very poor way to select a candidate, because you’re counting on someone who was rejected by your own party 4 years previously to now be acceptable to the entire electorate. There’s something to be said for a fresh face (Reagan, Bush Jr).
NH said that Newt was fourth. The Boston Globe has an incomplete count. Check the state web site!
You betcha! Once again Romney wins weakly. In The Socialist Republic of NH he should have been well 0ver 60% but got only 40%. Not only that, but the Pubbie Jester Paul was not far behind.
It’s realy past time for Romney, Gingrich, Perry, Paul and Huntsman “To Say Goodbye”.
The message is obvious if one opens one’s eyes. Conservatives, many independents and even some ordinary Pubbies want a clear choice this presidential election cycle—not some warmed over RINO—or worse.
If these five men could get over their egos and line up behind Santorum they could walk away from their presidential aspirations as statesmen. I guess we’ll soon find out which they value more.
As I’ve already said, Santorum can help himself immensely by ignoring the now irrelevant RINO field by going after Onada. It’s what we’re all wanting at least one of these primary candidates to do. Certainly there’s no shortage of material. If Santorum is afraid to go after The Usurping Marxist it can only be because he’s afraid of being called a racist. If he’s not prepared to slay the race-based politics beast he’s not ready to be president. Simple as that.
Aren’t we all sick and tired of the pussy footing and tortured political speak seeking to avoid the race issue? Aren’t all conservatives fed up with political correctness and the faux Holy Grail of diversity. You know what the root word is of diversity? It is “divide”. And that is exactly what diversity does. It inherently divides.
When college admissions, hiring and promoting policies are based on anything but ability thosed policies are biased. I thought the object of the Civil Rights movement was to eliminate race—by extention age and gender—distinctions. Instead the Marxists have create3d a whole system based on exactly on that.
You and the other liberals would not vote for Santorum....not surprising. You are quite a liberal.
I generally like Gingrich and trust him to keep his word on the issues he is discussing now. That said, I think there would be a number of occasions when he agrees with the left on issues we’re not discussing now.
The last few days have shown us that Newt will act like a liberal if he feels threatened. Santorum won’t.
I’m tired of this story line indicating Onada will be hard to beat. That is only true if one is cowed by his race into not attacking him. I believe almost any of the conservative/Pubbie candidates could beat the Usurping Marxcist in the White House—if they attacked him on his political philospy, policies and disdasin for the Constitution. There are tons of material to work with.
What this election is really about is wresting the RINO-led GOP from demrat control. The GOP ceased being a true oppostion party to the Demrat Party decades ago. Electing a RINO will only perpetuate this reality. This is the moment to destroy RINO control of the GOP and the Marxist Onada.
That’s the goal. Sign on to it or witness the onging destruction of our country.