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Team Os poor trick (Obama now considers those making above $75,000 'poor')
New York Post ^ | 12/23/2011 | Robert Rector

Posted on 12/23/2011 10:47:59 AM PST by SeekAndFind

New Yorkers can be forgiven for shock at the newspaper headlines last week informing them that millions more of them were “near poor” or “low income.” They might relax a bit on learning that the “root cause” is simply new definition of poverty from the Census Bureau.

Indeed, under the Census definition, a family in New York City is “near poor” if it has full medical insurance and an annual income below $77,000. (In Oakland, Calif., the figure is $88,000!)

The Census report actually put nearly half the US population as “low income” — and news stories typically implied the startling new number was the result of sharply deteriorating economic conditions.

In fact, it was a surreptitious and dubious shift by the Obama administration, setting the “near-poverty” income level very close to the median-household income in most communities. (“Median income” is the point at which half the households have more income, and half have less.)

Thus, it was foreordained that, using this new standard, the Census folks “discovered” that almost half the population is living in “near-poverty” conditions. That is, if you define “near poverty” as an income roughly equal to the median, that means that by definition nearly half the population will always be “poor” or “near poor” — regardless of any changes in actual living standards.

Obama’s new poverty measure will produce very odd results. For example, if the real income of every single American were to magically double overnight, the new measure would show no drop in poverty or “near poverty,” because the poverty- and near-poverty income thresholds would also double.

In other words, the president has introduced a statistical trick that gives new meaning to the saying that “the poor will always be with you.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: censusbureau; definitionpoverty; newpoor; obama; poor; poverty

1 posted on 12/23/2011 10:48:08 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Indeed, under the Census definition, a family in New York City is “near poor” if it has full medical insurance and an annual income below $77,000.”

I have friends in NYC. The above statement is not untrue.


2 posted on 12/23/2011 10:55:09 AM PST by Grunthor (Unrepentant breeder.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is why many did not participate in the census. They knew it was a fraud and sham which was designed to provide information for TAXTION, VOTER DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES, AND INCOME INFORMATION — all fed back to Obama and his mob strictly to provide for more empowerment and destruction of individual wealth along with its redistribution.

But you knew that already, right?


3 posted on 12/23/2011 10:55:53 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: SeekAndFind

This is why many did not participate in the census. They knew it was a fraud and sham which was designed to provide information for TAXTION, VOTER DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES, AND INCOME INFORMATION — all fed back to Obama and his mob strictly to provide for more empowerment and destruction of individual wealth along with its redistribution.

But you knew that already, right?


4 posted on 12/23/2011 10:56:15 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: SeekAndFind

$77,000 for a family in NYC IS poor.

$77,000 for a family in Grays Harbor County, Wa. is doing pretty darned good.

It’s all in the geography.


5 posted on 12/23/2011 10:56:53 AM PST by Grunthor (Unrepentant breeder.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Above? Not below??


6 posted on 12/23/2011 10:57:23 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: SeekAndFind

..and the independent, “moderate” voter thinks this is reasonable; that is, the Democratic Progressive paradigm is no different than that of a Republican Conservative. Yea Gods, we a so doomed.


7 posted on 12/23/2011 10:59:46 AM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: SeekAndFind

A lie is a lie is a lie and 0bama and his administration have perfected the lie. It has reached the point where I don’t believe ANYTHING this president says, ever. It’s easier to simply assume that he’s lying, because he always is.


8 posted on 12/23/2011 11:02:21 AM PST by jakota (®)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'd like to know what Barry's thresholds are for “rich” and “poor”.

We pay that asshat how much in salary, benefits, retirement and “free” vacations? Hell, Chewie and the kids just flew to Hawaii to the tune of $4 MILLION, and prior to that went to Spain for a week of shopping and sightseeing on our dime.

That jackass and his grifting family have been raping us for millions every month, and then he has the balls to tell us that people like me are rich and not paying our fair share.

Frack him, his family, his administration, Eric Holder, the DOJ, the DNC, the ACLU, La RAZA, unions and every other fugging leach sucking my life's blood to finance their fairytale existence.

Their next vacation should be an all-expense paid, family stay in one of our outstanding federal penal institutions.

He is the epitome of a lying, conniving, cheating, stealing, grifting, soulless, immoral, bastardized POS.

Ernie

9 posted on 12/23/2011 11:04:29 AM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: SeekAndFind
In fact, nearly all poor Americans live in houses or apartments that are in good condition and not over-crowded... ...more than 80 percent of poor Americans had air conditioning, nearly two-thirds had cable TV and half had a computer. Most of the poor were able to obtain medical care whenever needed... ...some 96 percent of poor parents stated their children were not hungry for even a single day during the last year.

This describes me and my family. You see, according to the Obama Administration, we are poor. Allow me to briefly describe what it is like to be "poor" according to our President.

I'm an E6 in the Navy with more than 8 years of service. My wife is a stay at home mother to our two young sons. We live in a decent 3 br. / 2 ba. single family home with a two-car garage and a large yard. In the summer I run the air conditioning. Next spring we will be moving to a 4 br. home. I crunched the numbers and we can easily afford it. I can afford payments on a 2009 Toyota minivan. We have a couple of nice HDTVs, PS3s, computers, cell phones, cable, Netflix, internet and on and on. I have an electric guitar collection worth thousands of dollars as is my wife's jewelry collection. My wife and sons never go without. There's plenty of food in the fridge, clothes in the closet and toys in the bedrooms. Our credit card debt is minimal and I have no problem making the monthly payments. We have thousands in our savings account. There are presents under the Christmas tree. Nice ones!

Yet, my family qualifies for WIC as well as subsidized utility bills. I'm sure there's other "freebies" we'd qualify for if I looked into it. We choose not to receive WIC and I pay my electric bill in full but we qualify nonetheless. In the eyes of the government, this places my family (and many others just like ours) in the demographic of one out of two Americans who are poor or "low income".

I certainly don't feel poor but apparently we are. And to think, all this time I've considered myself fortunate. Guess I was wrong. Go figure...

Maybe I need to get my butt to one of those "Occupy" demonstrations to draw attention to the miserable poverty that I live in.

10 posted on 12/23/2011 11:08:21 AM PST by Drew68
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To: SkyDancer

RE: Above? Not below??

$76,000 is above $75,000 isn’t it? Well with that, you’re considered ‘near poor’ in NY. Don’t ask me why.


11 posted on 12/23/2011 11:10:00 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Team O’s ‘poor’ trick (Obama now considers those making above $75,000 'poor')

I can see where this is going...
People who actually contributed tens of thousands to Social Security over decades of their working lives can suck it up with cuts, increased Medicare costs and inflation which deceptively excludes some basic necessities.

Meanwhile the professional welfare leeches will have their "benefits" increased, "free" Medicaid indexed, and the threshold for being poor increased to more than the average worker makes.

Wonderful.

I just hope that when adults are voted back in all of these outrageous increases of free money can be reversed.

12 posted on 12/23/2011 11:10:12 AM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik
LOL!

When are you going to tell us what you really think?

13 posted on 12/23/2011 11:12:43 AM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Grunthor

Right, if you are paying $5,000 a month for housing, and you make $75,000 a year, then you are effectively poor.


14 posted on 12/23/2011 11:14:07 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: SkyDancer
RE: Above? Not below??

Yes, above, not below.

From the article:

Under the Census definition, a family in New York City is “near poor” if it has full medical insurance and an annual income below $77,000. (In Oakland, Calif., the figure is $88,000!).
15 posted on 12/23/2011 11:14:29 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: zot; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice

We are the poor!!! But rich in spirit and our belief in God — not that he is trying to take that away too.


16 posted on 12/23/2011 11:14:52 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: SeekAndFind
The while country is impoverished, regardless how much money we have, when we have a lying Marxist like Obama in the White House.
17 posted on 12/23/2011 11:14:58 AM PST by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Grunthor

“It’s all in the geography.”

Yes and those who feel poor in New York still have the freedom to move to a lower cost of living community inside the USA or outside. No doubt in Kenya, $77,000 would be a princely income.


18 posted on 12/23/2011 11:17:13 AM PST by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: Boogieman

RE: if you are paying $5,000 a month for housing, and you make $75,000 a year, then you are effectively poor.

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In the very expensive city of New York, you can get a decent sized apartment near the subway not far from NYC (Manhattan) for less than or equal to $2,000.

Who is so stupid to pay $5,000 on housing when his income is just $75,000? That’s paying 80% of your income for a roof over your head. Anyone who thinks like that deserves everything he gets (including going broke).


19 posted on 12/23/2011 11:18:34 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So if you’re making over $75,000 you’re considered poor?


20 posted on 12/23/2011 11:43:25 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: SeekAndFind

So, if you’re making over $75,000 you’re considered poor. I need another eggnog to get my mind around that one. More nog this time.


21 posted on 12/23/2011 11:46:09 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: SeekAndFind

Now we know why the middle class is shrinking. If you earn above $200,000, you’re the Evil Rich. If you earn below $80,000, you’re the downtrodden poor. The middle class is being defined out of existence.


22 posted on 12/23/2011 11:48:24 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
Now we know why the middle class is shrinking. If you earn above $200,000, you’re the Evil Rich. If you earn below $80,000, you’re the downtrodden poor. The middle class is being defined out of existence.

You missed the most significant part of Obamababble...

ALL taxes newly imposed on the "rich" immediately affect everybody earning $50k or more.

Unless it's welfare in cash or in kind or in subsidy or in lieu.

23 posted on 12/23/2011 12:04:53 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik
Their next vacation should be an all-expense paid, family stay in one of our outstanding federal penal institutions.

That costs too much and is too good for them.

Bundle up the whole lot of traitors and drop them off in the middle of Liberia. Let them fend for themselves.

24 posted on 12/23/2011 12:07:40 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Boogieman
Right, if you are paying $5,000 a month for housing, and you make $75,000 a year, then you are effectively poor.

If you make $75K per year and are paying $5K per month on housing you have either lost your good job and for that I am sorry or you are incredibly stupid.

25 posted on 12/23/2011 12:12:21 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Drew68

Kudos to you and your wife for not taking advantage of the benefits you are “entitled” to but don’t believe you need. May you and your family be richly blessed!!


26 posted on 12/23/2011 12:13:37 PM PST by susannah59
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, even at $2000 a month, you are paying 33% of your income on housing. Top that off with NYC high tax rates and higher prices on consumer goods, and I think you will still be struggling to get by. I rent apartments, and we wouldn’t qualify someone to rent if the rent is 33% of their income, because it’s too much, and they usually end up defaulting.


27 posted on 12/23/2011 12:19:25 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

RE: Well, even at $2000 a month, you are paying 33% of your income on housing.

Notice I said less than or equal to $2,000. If you shop around town and don’t mind an extra 15 minutes of subway ride to work in Manhattan, you could get a decent apartment for less than 30% of your annual income.


28 posted on 12/23/2011 1:20:47 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: GreyFriar

Yes, we are rich in spirit and our belief in God — and only poor according to this political change of the “near-poverty level.”


29 posted on 12/23/2011 1:28:52 PM PST by zot
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To: Drew68

Do you get BAH?


30 posted on 12/23/2011 1:50:14 PM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: EagleUSA

The Census is a sham? Or the President is a sham?


31 posted on 12/23/2011 1:50:14 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: SeekAndFind

By that we’re below dirt poor. We’re at dirt on fleas poor.


32 posted on 12/23/2011 1:52:00 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hell, if you shop around far enough you can find rent for $100 a month and you’ll have plenty of disposable income. That’s not the point though. The average living expenses for the area are what counts when it comes to studies like this.


33 posted on 12/23/2011 2:07:47 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Publius6961

Okie dokie! Ask and you shall receive:

Barry Obama = “Grifter-in-Chief”
Michelle Obama = “First Grifter of the United States”
Michelle’s mother = “Grifter-in-law”
And their “adorable” little girls = “Grifters-in-Training” (I believe they are enrolled in the “Gifted-Grifters-Academy”.)


34 posted on 12/23/2011 10:38:21 PM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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