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To: edpc

A true fact that many not know is that Iran’s ships are like tin cans.

Go ahead block the Straits of Hormuz and the U.S. Military will destroy your little tin can ships in about 6 hours...

This is why idle threats from Iran that really has absolutely no military power at all will lose. The full force of the U.S. Military has the ability to sink their ships and then they can all go back home crying to the 72 virgins that they thought they would meet when in fact they will simply burn in hell...


20 posted on 12/13/2011 9:44:13 AM PST by billsgottago (Government is like a baby. A big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other end.)
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To: billsgottago

“..he U.S. Military has the ability to sink their ships ..”

Having the ability to so is a lot different than having the political WILL to do so.

This isn’t 1988 and we have a president that appeases moslems and other enemies of the country.


23 posted on 12/13/2011 9:51:27 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: billsgottago

Land-based and even air launched cruise missiles are the bigger threat.

The Noor-2 replaced the original solid fuel rocket of the Noor-1 with a much more powerful turbojet. However the actual range gained is somewhat contentious, some use set figure of 120 km found on the C-802(on which the Noor-2 is a loose copy of). However some cite the domestic modifications to the Microturbo TRI 60-2 powerplant as evidence that the range was extended, and in 2006, during the ‘Blow of Zolfaqar’ wargames, commanders were quoted as saying it was 200 km. However the latter number is cast into doubt when the rest of the article mentions that the missile was only ever fired from warships, whereas in 1997, the Noor-1 was tested from an F-4. (7) The most likely range is somewhere around 170 km as it fits in line with the upgrades and domestic production of the turbojet, under the name of Tolloue 4 and 5.(8) Although the missile is overall lighter then the Noor-1 due to reduction in the solid fuel, the warhead remains the same packing the same punch, as do the targeting mechanisms remain unchanged. There are several key changes however. First, in the terminal phase, an upgraded altimeter allows the missile to hug the water closer, staying 3-5 meters above the surface. Second, the option of having a ‘pop-up’ attack pattern was also introduced by Chinese partners in 2006. A ‘pop-up’ pattern involves an immediate jump by the missile in the last few seconds allowing the missile to dive deep into the deck of the target. Third is the introduction of manoeuvring algorithms to make it harder for active ship defences to stop the missile. (9)

Noor 2
• Range: 170 km (140-200 km possible)
• Length: 6.5 m
• Missile Weight: 715+ kg
• Warhead: 165 kg
• Speed: .9 mach
• Guidance
o Cruise: Inertial
o Terminal: DM-3BMonopulse active radar and IR Seeker
• Alterations
o Turbojet engine
o Lower altitude in terminal phase
o Introduction of manoeuvring and ‘pop-up’ attack options

Raad ASM

The largest of Iran’s anti ship missiles, the Raad also has the longest range. It can be fired from a multitude of platforms including static defences, self-propelled tracked vehicles, presumably delivered from North Korea, or from a truck, much like the ones seen launching Kowsars.(10) Developed from the body of the Chinese HY-2 Silkworm, the Raad, however, has seen many improvements most prominently in the seeker and propulsion. The first of the changes include replacing the conical scanning radar and IR imaging with the “brains” of the Noor missile (DM-3B radar) with the end result that the missile becomes of skimming the sea at about 3-5 meters, compared to 8 of the HY-2, a substantial amount when considering a targets countermeasures. It also means that it will be capable of last minute evasive maneuvers and execute a ‘pop-up’ attack on the deck of the target. Although, they will be notably harder with a missile with the aerodynamics of the 3,000 kg missile compared to the 715 kg Noor. It undoubtedly presents other difficulties of meshing the two systems, but they have presumably been fixed due to successful tests. (11) The second main alteration is engine. Public perception is that the Raad is powered by the Tolou-4, the same powerplant as in the Noor. However this is intuitively unlikely given that the Tolou-4 was designed to propel a much smaller (715 kg) missile. Another indicator is looking at the extremely prominent ducts on the Raad compared to the extremely recessed ducts on the Noor. Rather, the more likely candidate is the Tolou-5 upgrade which is described as being much more powerful then its predecessor, although it was only in the prototype stage in 2005, meaning it would have had to of progressed extremely fast for them to appear in the 2007 wargames.(12)
Other then the above modifications, the Raad acts very much like the HY-2 from which it was derived, it is fired with the help of a solid rocket booster, quickly climbing to 1,000 meters, then descending to slightly less then 20 meters for cruising under inertial guidance. When, in terminal phase the active radar is switched on, and the missile descends to about 4 meters to skim the surface of the water and eventually strike the target. Packed with over 300 kg of high explosive in a shaped charge, it is designed for use against the massive destroyers of western fleets. (13) Meanwhile, the 360 km range would literally leaving no part of the gulf untouched.

• Range: 360 km
• Length: 7.48 m
• Missile Weight: 2,998 kg
• Warhead: 315 kg
• Speed: .8 mach
o Guidance: Inertial in cruise, DM-3BMonopulse active radar and possibly IR seeker in terminal.

Blog source: http://thearkenstone.blogspot.com/2009/08/anti-ship-missiles-kowsar-noor-and-raad.html


25 posted on 12/13/2011 9:53:29 AM PST by Justa
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To: billsgottago
A true fact that many not know is that Iran’s ships are like tin cans.

You mean it the a Navy of "Floating Sinkers"?

Is it true the Iran puts wheels on the bottom of their ships to make them easier to get to shore?

Rumor is Iran has trouble with the construction of their ships because all Muslim men fight about who get to lay the keel.

The Iranian Navy is really suffering these days since the latest round of sanctions has cut off their supply of sails.

Have you ever seen the wake an Iranian destroyer pushes at full speed? Neither have they.

I heard the Chinese are helping Iran with a carrier. It is a super helicopter to fly their ships out to sea.

Did you hear about the Iranian seaman they found on a ship? The UN is investigating the incident.

These are all Bearknocks originals. Feel free to use them.

28 posted on 12/13/2011 10:17:06 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Government can only be a consumer of wealth, it can not create wealth.)
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