The Pakistani-Peruvian Axis

Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time | 1966 | Carroll Quigley

[arrogantsob]

Unfortunately, the common man is showing that he doesn’t give a s..t. I wonder what percentage of citizens have even read the constitution, what percentage of natural born citizens?

I don’t know anything about Quigley’s politics but he seemed like an old time Democrat. Back when they were still controlled by patriots of a sort.

Quigley’s scenarios for the collapses build for centuries until the invasions. I see no possibility of an invasion ending ours.

[arrogantsob]

The destructiveness of Islam is without end.

[DuncanWaring]

I see no possibility of an invasion ending ours.

Invasions don't have to include tanks and helicopter gunships.

The New Conquistadores have been invading us for decades.

[Noumenon]

Patriotism, love of liberty, and a solid knowledge of our founding principles and the philosohpy behind them have become a matter of surface habit and custom as opposed to something understood and deeply held. Habit and custom are easily manipulated, as the dark, dark history of the twentieth century has shown. Charles Fukuyama, writing in Trust, says, "While the American founding was highly self-conscious and rational, subsequent generations of Americans accepted the principles of the founding not because they gave them the same conscious consideration as the Founding Fathers, but because they were traditional."

Didn't the 0bamunist crowd promise us that they were going to ..."change our conversation, change our history?" And hasn't that been the goal of every will to power-driven utopianist who seeks to effect the New Man?

Speaking to the Quigley's take on the evolution of civilizations, he's essentially correct - as are you when you observe that in th past, these stages have taken place over centuries. Not so much in modern times, though. Quantum leaps in communication and travel have acted as a catalyst to greatly speed up - and in some cases, leapfrog - some of the Quiglean evolutionary stages.

[Noumenon]

Invasions don't have to include tanks and helicopter gunships.

The New Conquistadores have been invading us for decades. Exactly right. It's also important ot recognize that Quigley's definition of an Age of Expansion doesn't exclusively refer to territorial ambitions.

[arrogantsob]

While that is a facile and superficial remark it has no bearing on what Quigley was referring to. He was speaking of military invasions. And these are not even “Conquistadors” in any sense anyway. The Conquistadors were totally military forces.

[arrogantsob]

The first part of “Evolution” was terribly boring and dry but extremely insightful and important to his view. Just the discussion of the climatic change influencing the migration patterns of early man was fascinating.

I also found it very interesting that the copies of Tragedy and Hope in the Chicago library system had all been stolen. So I had to buy my own.

[arrogantsob]

I would view the IIs as more a form of mixture than the invasions Quigley was speaking of. Could it have happened in the past as a prelude to invasion? Sure but there is no chance Mexico or Canada would successfully destroy our civilization. Or even want to.

[Noumenon]

Stolen from the library, eh? Interesting. I've got a first edition of Tragedy and Hope. My understanding is that Quigley named a lot of names and that subsequent editions were somewhat... edited. Can't say for sure. Might be folklore.

Yes, parts of EoC are a definite slog, but as is common with Quigley's work, there are fascinating insights to be had. I'll cite his analysis of the Pakistani-Peruvian axis an example - you pretty much have to slog through most of the 1300+ pages of Tragedy and Hope to get to it, but it's one of the book's gems.

[arrogantsob]

I rarely pay 35 bucks for a book but T&H was unavailable even for that for yrs and after reading Evolution I had to read it. So I figured it was really three books because of its length and bought a new one.

He certainly had no hesitation in naming those involved in the Roundtable and the Council on Foreign Relations both of which gave him access to their files and papers. And they weren’t unified in their policies either. And the factions (if not total control) had and used access to the media to work out their aims.

[DuncanWaring]

You don't call these guys a military force?

The goal of the original Conquistadores was conquest and enslavement.

The goal of the New Conquistadores is conquest and enslavement; they are just being a little more subtle about it.

[arrogantsob]

No. They are about as far from a military force as you can get.

[Noumenon]

Not all of them are even remotely competent - they’ll die like sheep.

Some of them, however, are. Those ones will be well-trained and well-funded. and their goal will be to precipitate - larger - events.

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Carroll Quigley

Cleon Skousen's and Gary Allen's bete noir.

Bill Clinton's idol.

The world keeps spinning and now new people find new meanings and new uses for his work ...

[Noumenon]

Yes, Quigley had a serious hate on for the Right and the common man in America. Yet, the man was capable of astonishing insights into history, culture and human nature. I’ll take ‘em and use them as I will.

[arrogantsob]

Oh, please. There probably isn’t a fart from any of these idiots which isn’t immediately smelled by government agents.

They are comic relief compared to our true enemies such as that one in the White House and the rest of the Democrats.

[don-o]

read later

[AwesomePossum]

Over 40 years ago a man named Cleon Skousen wrote a book titled, "The Naked Capitalist", which is a review and commentary on Dr. Carroll Quigley's Book, "Tragedy and Hope". It is still availabe.

Skousen points out that Quigley's main thrust in the book is that world socialism will triumph, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

Bill Clinton, while giving a speech at a Democrat National Convention stated, "Dr. Quigley was right!" Clinton helped institute more and more socialism in the American government and way of life.......

Skousen's book exposes not only Quigley, but a whole host of folks, mostly American, who did their dead level best to help make Quigley's apocalypse come true........Skousen exposes the Big Banker/Secret Society/Tax-exempt Foundation/Communist/Socialist nexus, and how they go about destroying anyone, who is well known, who tries to promote traditional Americanism over socialism.........The most recent well known victims being Sarah Palin and Herman Cain.

Currently, here in America, the collectivist batons are waved by the Clintons, much of the Democrat leadership, The Big Liberal Media, RINOs, and, of course, the Obamas.......

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P.S. I believe we are at a point in our history where that the only way to stop this madness is to clean up our personal lives and spend a lot of time praying to the Creator who made us, work towards keeping all of the commandments and work towards making America truly great again......

[grey_whiskers]

I stand in awe.

Next step: similar deconstruction of California liberals.

Cheers!

[Noumenon]

Those five pages were worth the entire slog through the book. If you step back and take a long look at what’s going on in California, it hews too uncomfortably close to the axis Quigley describes.

It’s recipe for civilizational collapse and desolation.

Some people dismiss Quigley at their peril, I think. I may not agree with his take on the direction for human civilization, but he’s dead bang on the money in much of his analysis.