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Posted on 11/02/2011 8:23:04 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry says his campaign didn't provide the media with information about sexual harassment allegations against his GOP presidential rival Herman Cain.
In an interview with the conservative blog RedState on Wednesday, Perry said he and his campaign learned about the allegations in a Politico story published Sunday.
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Chris Wilson who is claiming he was present when Cain was over the top sexually harassing someone is a Perry Pollster.
link to American Spectator just one of many links now that confirm Wilson is a Perry Pollster:
“And what is Mr. Wilson doing now?
He is polling for a client named Governor Rick Perry.
..... people think Rick Perry was drunk when he made that bizarre speech in New Hampshire the other night.”
Well that’s another thing. Does ole Herb jog? Rick Perry jogs. I have never seen Rick take a drink. Maybe he does, but it sure as heck never got him tied up with a sexual harrassment scandal that cost anybody $35,000, with two other women coming out with complaints. And Rick Perry was not stuck in corporate world, but out front for ten years. Forget it. Rick was drunk with enthusiasm and had a blast in the NH appearance. The standing ovation at the end of his speech was not for his chug a lug ability.
Depends what you mean. He didn’t deny adding it to the required list, but he accurately noted that the plan included a no-fault opt-out clause, which required only that the parent fill out a form online that takes 30 seconds, and then checks off a box on the paperwork the state sends to them pre-printed with all the other information, and signs it and takes it to school the first day with their student.
So it wasn’t “mandatory”. It was “required”, but with an opt-out for any reason, making it optional at the choice of the parent.
You need to lay off the coffee. Have you ever seen a Perry interview? Watch Hannity tonight. Perry has a very shallow mind. He took a long time deciding to run for president cause he had to learn to spell it without a “z”.
Obumo is not very intelligent but he’s gonna make Perry look like he just fell off the turnip truck.
Cain has the creds to blow holes through Obumo’s socialist venier and do it with class.
I think Cain should have just said “so what” and dropped it. With all the important issues to debate, who gives a crap about a decades old incident - one that occurs frequently in our PC sensitized litigionous culture.
And really - white wine at breakfast is that big a deal to you? Ya know, there was a day when champagne breakfasts, bloody mary’s in the airport, and 3 martini lunches were du jour. That was in the good ol’ days when Type A personalities got together and built successful companies.
If that’s what we can expect from Cain, I say bring it on!
That is an excellent response, and kind of mirrors a response I gave earlier as an example of what Perry should have done with the original charges.
This whole thing has been hilariously sad, because the charges themselves are meaningless. Cain could have said “Two women in the 90s misconstrued something I said or did, and felt they were harassed. An independent investigation found no wrongdoing, and the women were offered and took a payment with severance. Out of deference to the privacy of these women, I will not discuss details, and so long as the women remain anonymous, I will not discuss details. Instead, I will continue to focus on how to fix this country’s real problems.”
And that would be that. Instead, we are at the third day, and despite the concerted effort of every conservative talk show host, and untold hours of breathless typing by supporters on blogs, Cain still has not gotten hold of the story, and instead is now throwing around false attacks on other candidates, and getting into fights with the media.
Yes Block is the “smoking man.”
Perry has drunk eyes and a drunk’s demeanor. I’m a self-made expert in this area. Not a darn thing wrong with Cain.
One of the big-money democrats was offering payments in Texas for any woman who would come forward with charges against Rick Perry. So you know they are looking.
And the media is clearly looking. People think a campaign did this to Cain? No reason. It’s fact — two women complained, a settlement was reached. People knew about the charges, and about the settlement. People whose names were on employment roles.
All the paper had to do was get a list of people who left the organization during Cain’s term, and go interview them. Someone was going to say something. It wasn’t a secret that only Cain knew.
Look at Perry. The media went so far as to question every aquantance of his FAMILY, in order to find someone who would say something bad. They found someone who mentioned a rock, and they were able to dig through records, find who owned the land, when the leases were, and who went to vist with the Perrys. They even found the rock and took a picture. That turned into a big smear on Rick Perry that was largely false (Cain of course attacked Perry for it, showing no class at all).
And that story was not “leaked” by another campaign. It was just hard work by the media looking to destroy any frontrunner threatening Romney. Cain is now a threat to Romney, so the media is going to question people who worked at his businesses.
You can be sure there will be stories about the people who were fired from Godfathers, and how it destroyed their lives. There will be ex-franchisers who picked up work from other chains who will talk about how much more successful they were when they got out from under Cain’s management.
How could you not expect this stuff? It’s standard media practice to go after conservatives. If you know you were accused of something and settled, you better be ready to answer it.
Remember back in 1980, the last weekend before the election? A story broke about a DUI involving a young George Bush. That nearly sunk his campaign. It would have been a non-story if Bush had simply brought it up the day after he secured the nomination. He knew the records existed. He should have assumed they would find out.
“back in 1980” should clearly say “back in 2000”. Sorry about that.
Wilson said he was present at AN incident. He said he never talked about it, and was speaking now just to point out that multiple people were at that particular incident and knew about it and could have talked about it.
I couldn’t figure out if he was talking about an incident with one of the two women accusers, or with the 3rd woman who was reported today. In any case, that is a new thing that came out, and it was not the source of the original story.
BTW, since Cain knows that there are a couple of people who are now working for Perry who have knowledge of what happened, is it really smart for him to launch false attacks on Perry? Isn’t that more likely to get those people to actually talk, if they know anything? Like Wilson?
Does that help Cain? Or Romney....
Yet, even with the story and the terrible way the Cain campaign has handled the response, I don't see any polls showing it has damaged him.
I don't think Cain is a great candidate. I don't think I would even call him a good candidate. But he remains the front-runner, probably due to the Republican electorates refusal to support either Romney or Perry.
I originally hadn't taken Cain too seriously as he is far from polished. But as events continue to unfold, I'm thinking more and more that the electorates disgust with typical politicians is driving Cain's popularity, giving him a Teflon candidate status.
If he were to actually win the nomination, could he actually beat Obama? I'm not convinced.....yet.
Did anyone expect him to say Yeah we did it?
I sure didn’t. Probably won’t ever know for sure who fed the story to politico but you can bet your boots on this! Had the alleged actor been a prominent democrat the only thing the story would have ever seen was the spike on the editor’s desk!
No sexual harassment has been established. Not yet, anyway. What we have is women who received severance packages and a lot of speculation about why.
You do realize, don't you, that a severance package of $35,000 indicates only one thing -- that *nothing* happened. That a disgruntled or unstable employee was causing trouble (like leveling false accusations of harassment or discrimination) and the organization saved itself hundreds of thousands of dollars in court fees by buying her off.
If there was really any sexual harassment, the women would have walked away with hundreds of thousands -- if not millions -- of dollars, and NRA would have dumped Cain immediately as a huge financial liability. But none of that happened....
Four people with contemporaneous knowledge of the encounter said it had taken place in the context of a work outing during which there had been heavy drinking a hallmark, they said, of outings with an organization that represents the hospitality industry. They spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid being publicly drawn into the dispute, and declined to provide details of the encounter, saying they did not want to violate the privacy of the woman.http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/us/politics/herman-cain-accuser-got-a-years-salary-in-severance-pay.html
Perry denied mandating Gardisil too, didnt he?
NO, he did not. He said he made a mistake.
Perry bots are just as bad a Paulbots and Obamabots. They are coming out of the woodwork on this thread to attack Cain. And yet they want no fighting between candidates. But they probably are defensive after Perry tanked and people exposed him.
If now the “tea party” is infighting and the GOP is collapsing before our eyes. The democrat party is no political party worth leaving around to finish off America. I’m stunned at how quickly the republican party is collapsing.
Right now We’ve got Michele Bachmann attacking everyone but Romney. Cain getting framed by 2 or 3 women. Perry being accused of leaks. Rahm Emanuel behind selling the information to Perry. Rove attacking Cain on every appearance. And Palin having second thoughts about not running. Meanwhile we have loons trying to astro turfing Wall Street. And the tea party is not actively attacking Romney.
Perry supporters are coming out of the “woodwork” because Herman Cain is smearing Perry YET AGAIN. Remind me why we’re supposed to shut up when Cain once again protects Romney but tosses out a loaded and thus far unsubstantiated charge. In an attempt to either deflect attention from the charges or take Perry down with him elevating Romney? You do know Romney is associated with the same organization right and yet not a word from Cain about it.
Cain lacks character and more importantly he lacks evidence of the charge. So either produce the evidence or shut the hell up and deal with the mess your own campaign created.
Cain is disgusting pointing fingers with no proof. I just don't understand his pure hatred for Perry. Perry never did anything to him.
I was not for Cain before but after this pointing fingers at Perry after everything else he has said attacking Perry, pulling the race card and saying that about not supporting him and yet all the others if someone else won. Cain is working hard to be my enemy as much as Obama if he keeps this up. And other then VILE Romney ( I can't stand Romney) I hate to say that about a Republican ( Cain) but he is asking for it.
That “bizarre” speech in New Hampshire by Perry was a cut and paste job. People there said he was not drinking. It was a great speech by the way if you heard all of it. Could Herb be a drinker? I don’t know. Is he a womanizer? I don’t know.
I agree it IS reckless and false.
Well said Rita.
I have not decided how I will vote, but the Perry haters who are posting such hateful unsubstantiated comments have caused me to take a more thorough look at Perry's record, and I find much to agree with.
I think Mr. Cain's campaign manager is not doing him any favors. I thought it was bad judgment for Mr. Cain to say in September that 'he would be happy to serve on Romney's staff if he got the nomination, or he could serve with others, but he would never serve with Rick Perry.' I lost some respect for Mr. Cain at that time. I think he is a very likeable man, but from his answers to questions regarding foreign affairs, he is sorely lacking knowledge. Unfortunately, he is responsible for all the hullabaloo surrounding him now. Regardless if the allegations made against him are false, he knew they had been made, and he didn't tell the truth when POLITICO reported it. He has consistently altered his story, and to blame the Perry campaign without proof puts him on a par with the women who made accusations against him. As far as the public knows, his charges against Perry are "baseless".
I watched Hannity tonight and I believe Gov Perry will be our next POTUS.
” You do realize, don’t you, that a severance package of $35,000 indicates only one thing — that *nothing* happened. “ <<<<<
BWHAHAHAHA!!! RIIIGGGGHHHHT. Whatever you say. LOL!!! Gawwwwd. Hang in there.
Your razor like intellect ever consider what happened to the 72 hours Romney was the one under suspicion for the Cain story, with his own campaign connections????
What did you hear from ole Herb then? Crickits. Cain has been about two things: 1.) CAIN 2.) Destroying Perry
It has never been about the nomination, it’s been more about harrassing and abhoring Rick Perry. What’s that about? The Cain guy is getting weird on us. But, heck with three women out there talking, no wonder he had to take up radio. Who the heck would hire him and want to deal with him with either accusations with witnesses, or a cash settlement coming up with regularity? Toast. It’s coming. Toast.
If you think someone who was truly sexually harassed is going to be bought off for a mere $35,000, you are delusional.
“Yet, even with the story and the terrible way the Cain campaign has handled the response, I don’t see any polls showing it has damaged him.”
It would be too early for any polls to be out showing the fallout (if any) of this incident. I think the first day or two of the story he was helped because conservatives were rallying around him and his fundraising went up.
But, the longer this story lingers on-and if it turns out that the Cain campaign is making unfounded accusations against other campaigns, this thing might start to hurt him. I just think people voting in the GOP primary don’t want to hear about this for days on end.
I think we expected Mr Cain to issue a firm denial of wrongdoing and get back to the serious issues facing our country. That clearly has not happened. I think idle speculation about who the leaker might be not only keeps the story front and center, but makes (some) voters start to wonder if there’s not something to this after all.
” I think Cain should have just said so what and dropped it. With all the important issues to debate, who gives a crap about a decades old incident - one that occurs frequently in our PC sensitized litigionous culture.
And really - white wine at breakfast is that big a deal to you? “ <<<<<
Hey, if you’re buying what Herb is selling with no clue why this guy Cain is all “crickits” for the 72 hours that Romney fell under suspicion, well I say enjoy the koolaide.
He is toast. Give it time. Who else would hire Herb after all the women problems anyway? Settling down in a padded room with a smart mouth, a microphone and radio show was all that was left. Wake up.
” If you think someone who was truly sexually harassed is going to be bought off for a mere $35,000, you are delusional. “
They say that’s a pretty good chunk of change for the ninties. If you’re not impressed with thirty five grand for just one of three women who were sick of his shlick, I can’t help you. The guy may have leaked it himself, if he thought it would give one opportunity to rag, again, against Perry. Ole Herb can’t seem to let go of Rick Perry. It’s become an obsession, far more than minding his own business and running a race.
None of the Perry un-supporters have addressed Qui Bono? Who benefits from Cain’s crash?
The forensics aren’t settled yet. So we have to ask, who was Cain most damaging on his ascent?
Zero, because he’s peeling off black voters (and I’m sure his ‘fry them on the fence’ policy had NOTHING to do with that).
Romney? Everybody hates him and only voted for him to get rid of McPainLettuce, and look where that got us. Rove, the Bushes, and most of the establishment RINOs want Mitt. They are chagrined as the RATS about Nov 2010 and what Nov 2012 is going to look like.
Perry? He’s busy taking down Zero - in an electoral ground game nobody is giving him credit for - and of course he’d like to harvest Sarah’s votes who fell to Cain. If Perry chose to bulldoze Cain, his signature would be all over it.
If my political acumen is right (and I know it is), Perry will make conciliatory moves towards Cain once Sarah also nudges it.
We DO have a commie POTUS to dethrone, and we’re going to have to do it together. But Cain has to detatch from the Romney/Rove and I hate to type this BUSH machine if he is serious about effecting change.
The train to derail zero and his beuropolitik needs to be simply a much bigger train ramming him head-on, and we can’t do this if we don’t unite soon.
They say thats a pretty good chunk of change for the ninties.
Who is “they”? And you’d better stop listening to “they” because “they” are ignorant.
To put the $35,000 in context, the average annual wage in 1990 was $21,000; in 2010 it was $41,700. (http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html) So, no, $35,000 was peanuts as far as a settlement goes even back in the 1990s. And we are not talking about settlements; these women received *severance packages*.
I have had enough experience with this kind of thing to know *exactly* what a severance package of roughly one year’s salary means. It means the dismissed employee has got squat.
And all your silly “BWHAHAHAHA!!!”, “RIIIGGGGHHHHT”, “LOL!!!”, and “Gawwwwd” do not dissuade me from what I know from personal experience. Sorry.
” I have had enough experience with this kind of thing to know *exactly* what a severance package of roughly one years salary means. It means the dismissed employee has got squat. “ <<<<
Thirty five thousand may be squat to you, standard somewhere and even called “severance pay”, but to the conservative base in the real world ninties, that would be a truck load of money, a “settlement” straight up, and
certainly suggesting there was a problem. When a woman, er, women, (times three) avoid the guy like the plague there is a problem. The smoke here smells by now.
So you think that Cain is the pup of the Bush/Rove/Romney machine? Well, it seems to me Cain is lagging back for some reason and maybe that’s it. For sure, that trio has the legs for opposition research on anybody and how to use it, time it and market it, and the smarts to use Cain to ticket up with Romney and split the black vote, even by around 30% and Obama would be toast. That would also explain why Rubio is so firm about NOT running as VP for anybody this cycle. Rubio and Jeb are tight and Mark’ knows how to do the “talk” thing to the Right with the best of them, but would work a moderate, concilliatory, and compromising crossplay with the moderate/liberal wing like the entrenched establishment require to keep their power. It is very convoluted, but I do not trust Herb Cain. Not the way he has been dogging Rick. It has become more important to him than the race itself to smear Perry. I don’t see Rick, in the end, having any use whatsoever for the Cain model of treachery, however.
That's what I want to know.
If he's going to make an accusation like that, he'd dang well better be able to back it up.
Just wonder, given how easy it is to make allegations - whos now digging to see what Newt, Perry, Willard, Santorum, et al might have in their past
They’ve been on Perry a while now.
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I always placed these at Romney's feet. I see now it's Cain and his sleazy ass campaign manager.
I have seen the Cain supporters treat this woman like Carville and those guys treated Clinton's woman. I have been very troubled by the accusations thrown out at the woman. I am glad Rush has backed off this a bit. Hannity is such an ass kisser I doubt he has.
Any more questions?
By the way did you know Curt Anderson denied to Politico he was the source. Wouldn't Politico know this? Wouldn't Politico deny his claim?
Cain is a nasty SOB playing like a Cheshire cat. I have been putting alot at Romney's feet over the weeks but this is Cain and his nasty campaign manager. If Cain and his camp can falsely accuse Perry (while saying he was falsely accused!!) in order to derail Perry's campaign he is capable of anything in my book.
Very well said. Glad someone remembers all his shenanigans.
What the hell are you talking about, the article is sourced, I've given it to you twice. He says he was there, if you don't believe him that's your issue. The man is a know pollster in the GOP community, to lie in print would ruin his career and open him up to a liability suit from the NRA and Cain, I find it unlikely that he is being dishonest.
I asked you for a full quote from Wilson with him saying he was "present". What the "H-E Double Hockey Sticks" is so hard to understand about that.
You. Did. Not. Supply. That.
And that's your issue if you have a problem with that.
My point stands.
Do you thank Herman Cain for his service to this nation, serving the US Armed Forces in the Department of the Navy as a member of the team and mission in civilian status?