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To: WilliamHouston

Are you argueing that Hitler’s Leibernsraum politcy or irridentist and revanchist expansion was anything but consquest after the annexation of Czechoslovalkia and not just the Sudenland? Becuase if you are, you and PAt are both either purposely ignorant or lying for politics.


58 posted on 11/01/2011 11:36:50 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

(1) Clearly, Hitler sought his “lebensraum” in the Soviet Union which he we went to war with anyway in 1941.

(2) Hitler had no desire to go to war with the West or with Poland. On the contrary, it was Britain and France that declared war on Germany, and who turned the conflict into a world war, and who dragged America into the conflict.

(3) In the narrative of German evil, Bohemia which had been part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire for centuries and Prague which had been the capital of the Holy Roman Empire was an “aggressive conquest” by “militarist Germany.”

In this narrative, the fact that Slovakia seceded from Czechoslovakia (twice) and Poland (the official good guy) also invaded Czechoslovakia is ignored, as is the invasion by Hungary.

(4) Pat is right on the facts: Hitler wanted to go to war with the Soviet Union and the war with Poland was not part of any grand design on the part of Germany, but rather it was a response to the diplomatic situation that arose after Chamberlain gave the Poles that war guarantee.

If Chamblerlain had not given the Poles the war guarantee, they would have ceded Danzig to Germany, and the Polish-German Non-Aggression Pact would have kept Poland (like Sweden) out of the war between the Germans and the Soviets.

Hitler would have gone to war with Stalin. There would not have been a war in Poland, or a war with Britain and France, or a war between Japan and the United States, or a war that raged everywhere from the Balkans to Italy to North Africa to Northern Europe and the Netherlands.

Instead of there being a world war that destroyed Europe, there would have been a Nazi-Soviet War, which would have crippled Nazism and Communism.

Think about it: there wouldn’t have been a Vietnam, there wouldn’t have been a Communist China, there wouldn’t have been a Cuban Revolution, there wouldn’t been a triumph of liberalism in Europe, etc.


78 posted on 11/02/2011 10:04:10 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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