Posted on 10/30/2011 6:14:05 AM PDT by bestintxas
Texas Gov. Rick Perry is sliding in the polls but he is not budging concerning his stance on college tuition for illegal immigrants in his state, according to New Hampshire's Union Leader.
In an interview with the newspaper yesterday, Perry, who has come under attack from Republican presidential rival Mitt Romney for his position on the issue, defended the policy in Texas which permits some illegal immigrants to pay in-state college and university tuition.
"We could kick these people to the curb and pick up their cost of being in our state through other sources, social programs up to and including incarceration because they are unskilled workers and what might occur with that scenario," he told the paper in explaining choices his state could have taken.
"Do we want to create tax wasters or do we want to create taxpayers," Perry said in talking about the tuition program which is available to students who have graduated high school and been in Texas for three years.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...
Any foreign student can become a resident and qualify for the in-state tuition rate. AFAIK, the Texas law only makes a distinction between documented and undocumented.
“So based on our family’s experience, I think that many of the “affidavit” students must have circumstances similar to my son’s friends. That being the case, the current law seems to treat them and the state of Texas fairly.”
Hey, more power to you. If you’re into coddling illegals through the Dream Act and all the other pro-illegal stuff that Perry supports - that’s fine.
You just won’t find much sympathy here for that view. You might check in on some home-builder forums, agriculture forums, or Chamber of Commerce forums - for a friendlier reception.
Perry vetoed a bill recently which would have allowed illegals to obtain a driver’s license. He also signed a bill requiring voter ID to be able to vote. Somehow neither of those seem particularly friendly to illegals, or is it just my imagination.
“Perry vetoed a bill recently which would have allowed illegals to obtain a driver’s license. He also signed a bill requiring voter ID to be able to vote. Somehow neither of those seem particularly friendly to illegals, or is it just my imagination.”
That sounds pretty darn HEARTLESS of you. What’s Magritte going to think now?
Anyway, too little, too late. These were both in 2011. He managed to lock up the Voter ID bill for YEARS...until the issue got too big for him to control. As to driver’s licenses’ - hell, even California has the same law - pretty brave on Perry’s part. A real leader - yep.
Except that's the biggest factor in the residency qualification for instate tuition rates in Texas according to Texas law. You have to live here and pay taxes here. If you aren't doing those, you won't get instate tuition rates.
If you want the law changed, I suggest you contact your Texas Representative and Senator and urge them to change the law in 2 years via the Texas Legislature. If you don't want to go that route, I would suggest you get the issue on the ballot in order to change the Texas Constitution.
C’mon dude, ping me when you mention me! Perry is very good on illegal immigration in the REAL world, not the fantasy land of the “he hurt my feewings by calling me heartless. Wahhhhh!” crowd.
Actually, it is easy to identify the trolls. Just look at their previous posts.
The ones who never support anyone are clearly on here just to disrupt. Most often they post negative things on say a thread supporting Perry, with the implication that they support Cain. But when you go to a Cain thread, they have nothing to say.
As far as I can tell, they really support Obama and are doing so by trying to tear down each of the Republican candidates
I listened to the whole thing and it scared me more than the article did. I’m not attacking you here, deport, I just want to point out a thing or two.
I got the impression that a President Perry would push amnesty for all those here already so that they could become taxpayers. Is that a stretch? Possibly, but I didn’t hear anything that would make me believe otherwise. Seems like a logical extension of his stance on the issue.
Yes, I understood the “in-process” bit, but that could easily be omitted from the final bill in congress based on it being impractical to process an extra 14 million citizenship requests at once.
How many times must we do this thing with trying to declare amnesty based on a false promise that our borders would be secured “later”?
I’m not from Texas, but could someone explain to me why, if one of my children wanted to attend a Texas college, that she would pay regular tuition, while someone who’s is not even supposed to be in the country gets the discount rate? Really?
Bottom line: While I don’t trust Romney on anything, I don’t trust Perry on immigration.
Then isn’t it the responsibility of the US government to deal with this? I don’t think the state of Texas, or Perry, can deport anyone.Is that correct? I am trying to get facts without bashing Perry. Perry cannot provide anything to anyone who is here illegally,IMHO. If the feds cannot /won’t stop illegals, then all Perry can do is damage control.
If it comes to the point of either letting them work/pay their own way through school, or us paying to keep them incarcerated, then what?
“C’mon dude, ping me when you mention me! Perry is very good on illegal immigration in the REAL world, not the fantasy land of the “he hurt my feewings by calling me heartless. Wahhhhh!” crowd.”
Sorry, I just felt bad for you, after such a nice posting.
“The ones who never support anyone are clearly on here just to disrupt. Most often they post negative things on say a thread supporting Perry, with the implication that they support Cain. But when you go to a Cain thread, they have nothing to say.”
I’m with you. We had to deal with people telling us over and over again that it’s either Romney or Perry...no one else should even be considered. Thankfully those trolls are gone now.
I graduated from a Texas university after this plan was implemented. I had friends in majors all over the spectrum. They never had issues getting admitted or getting into that major if they met the admission requirements. I also know that the illegals who qualify for this, and who use it, make up about 1% of the admissions in Texas schools.
As as matter of fact, I have yet to see a single American come out and say they were denied admission to a Texas university or to a major program b/c of the 1% who admitted under this bill.
“If it comes to the point of either letting them work/pay their own way through school, or us paying to keep them incarcerated, then what?”
Is that what you REALLY think of illegals? That we have to either pay their tuition or pay to keep them in jail. I suspect that you don’t know much about them (or the issue) then.
As I stated much earlier on this thread, I’ve seen many illegals work, close-up, and they are FAR, FAR, from being unskilled, and no - they DO NOT need college to get to that point. They are trained, they learn quick, and they do what they’re told.
No, I don’t hire them - if I did, I’d be pushing for Perry too. But I have been around here in Texas with them when they’ve been building houses - and I have done nearly all of the same work myself (i.e., framing, electrical, plumbing, tiling, roofing, etc.). Much of this work (especially plumbing and framing) is very highly skilled. These illegals do have options, other than using my tax money to go to college.
It doesn’t change the way conservatives feel towards (R) pols who have misrepresented them in the past and continue to do so. Perry is part of that group. That is why he is in single digits leading into the primaries. He can’t and shouldn’t be trusted claiming to be conservative when his actions show him to be a big government statist with a misplaced affection for illegals.
Yes, they are, and Perry is trying to minimize that drain, since he cannot get border securing from the Feds. I’ve seen this issue evolve right here on FR, from what Perry really said, which was allowing the CHILDREN of illegal immigrants to pay the same rate as other Texans, to allowing ILLEGALS to pay the same rate, to GIVING ILLEGALS FREE tuition, What is next? will Perry be accused of going to Mexico and advertising to give away college degrees?
IMHO, we ought to blaming the Obama administration for immigrant problems, Not Perry.
“As as matter of fact, I have yet to see a single American come out and say they were denied admission to a Texas university or to a major program b/c of the 1% who admitted under this bill. “
I didn’t realize that the Texas Dream Act required that people denied admission into Texas colleges because of an illegal taking his (her) place would be notified. Could you point me to that section of the law please?
Then why do you never show up on the Cain threads? Who do you support?
So if he thinks this is such a great idea for Texas, then why shouldn’t I suspect he would do the same thing nation-wide if elected President?
I don’t want to keep paying for these leeches, I want them out of the country back in Mexico where they belong.
Most of Perry’s problems could have been avoided. He was mistakenly convinced by this staff that the illegals were not a big defining issue in the primary and that pandering to the Hispanic voters would better serve him in the general election.
From reading the tea leaves in the press, Perry’s biggest mistake in the beginning was only using his local Tex-Mex staff and not hiring outside experienced national campaign staffers.
His mistakes continue including the most recent Confederate license-plate issue. He simply should have said this is a “states issue” and been done with it. Perry is not being properly briefed nor prepared on the issues at the national level.
I believe the only way for a Perry come back now with be if Cain falls big time. There are five years of radio archives tape on Cain and some of it will not be pretty. If the others in the GOP field don’t bring down Cain, I would expect the establishment GOP will try to bring Cain down prior to the SC/FL primary.
I honestly would support the death penalty for this crime, because I think it's that serious. Of course I wouldn't support it now because we would be executing most of our government. I would like our borders closed, and illegals deported before anything else. Then for an investigation seeing everything that was going on with the enablers. I wouldn't want the death penalty against them unless they were found to be more involved with the Mexican government in actual people smuggling or something. I would be fine letting them off, and supporting new laws with harsh punishment that could be brought against politicians doing this kind of stuff gain. I wouldn't support harsh punishment, if any at all, if we had finally stopped the problem on the border, and deported every illegal we pick up here. We don't have to deport them all in a short period of time making a spectacle out of it. We could speed it up, and get them out overtime if we actually stopped them from coming back. I would support huge fines against businesses that hire illegals that increase significantly each time they are caught, without a limit to how big the fines could become, or how many times they could be used. It would finally bankrupt any business that refused to obey the law. I have a feeling they could easily get American workers before they went bankrupt. And Sanctuary city governments would be warned to take certain actions by a certain date, and if they didn't comply they should be made examples of with huge prison sentences for city leaders involved.
We need to close off our border first. Then remove the illegal immigrants. Then have the military on the border with a lot of firepower and good RoE, to deal with the military style drug cartels who probably won't like losing a costumer when we seal the border. Anyone who's armed that crosses our borders should be engaged. If they attack we should pursue them into Mexico if needed. If the Mexican military crosses our border they should engaged. They have crossed several times to either test us, or just be arrogant.
If their government tried anything they would back down once they saw we were serious. The drug cartels may continue to attack, and if that was the case we could take out their leaders like with special operation units, and hellfire missiles from unmanned drones just like Pakistan. Mexico doesn't control the areas held by drug cartels, and couldn't do anything more than use words against us because they know what would happen trying to fight us. Maybe take their oil by force to pay for what they have done to our nation.
Nothing about that is radical. I didn't say send the military to the border and start killing everything in site. We stay on our side, and only respond if attacked, but I think we would be at least a few times just as a test. I support a large border wall with the military on the border as well, at least until we could train a very large border guard trained and equipped to handle attacks from drug cartel units made up of military trained thugs. While only going into Mexico in pursuit of an enemy, or to stop attacks coming from their side. If the Mexican government attacks target their capital, and hit their homes to let them know they can't do anything they please. We are are in an unconventional war with Mexico now, and we're losing. I am ranting too much today, and feel to bad to check my rant for mistakes, so I'm just posting it lol.
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