Ron Paul: A border fence might be used to keep Americans from fleeing to Mexico, or something

Hotair ^ | 09/08/2011 | Ed Morrissey

[Beagle8U]

“”What if it was used to keep you in?” It made me stop and think. I've changed my mind.”

Well, if Ron Paul makes sense to you, I have to ask...What did you change it into, A cheese cake?

[Bokababe]

The border fence is for the Mexican border, not the Canadian border.

And half the country is closer to the Mexican border.

[svcw]

What I find interesting is how Paul’s rabid supports portray him, it is like they have no concept who he really is.

[Nonsense Unlimited]

Lol ... thanks NT, never saw that one before.

- (disclaimer: it’s just a joke, son.)

Why do the jokes seem to make more sense than what the current proposals offered by our government these days?

Rhetorical question ... no need to answer ;)

[SeekAndFind]

Even so, it’s impossible to keep any American out. You would have to have government ground all airplanes, prevent all boats from sailing, and prevent all cars from travelling anywhere.

I’d like to see which military unit will be willing to implement what Ron Paul fears in these United States.

[JimRed]

And if that day came, what are you going to do? Hand over your gold (which might be your only method of buying scarce food) and starve? Shoot it out while trying to protect your family? No, you are likely going to try and leave the country -- or at least most people would.

Sabotage, IEDs, ambushes, oh my!
Sabotage, IEDs, ambushes, oh my!
Sabotage, IEDs, ambushes, oh my!

[DejaJude]

I used to be for the border fence, too -- until someone brought up, "What if it was used to keep you in?" It made me stop and think. I've changed my mind. There are much better ways to deal with border.

Tell me when they start talking about fencing off Canada and the east and west coasts, then I'll start to worry.

[Aevery_Freeman]

Libertarian thought. No free stuff from taxpayers, no rush of illegals. No rush of illegals, better wages for native Americans, more innovation in the workplace creating more, higher-skilled jobs.

Some would still wish to immigrate but the flow could be more easily controlled because they would actually be bringing something besides crime and drugs into the country.

You know, crazy aunt stuff like that.

After all, no nation has ever used a fence (or an ocean) to keep citizens in. < /SARC>

[Eva]

I thought that statement by Paul was so off the wall that he should have lost the whole debate.

Paul is clearly a nut.

[DejaJude]

LOL! Let's buy Mexico, fix it up a bit and flip it!!!!

[trisham]

I look forward to the day when Paul is no longer running for president.

[Aevery_Freeman]

As was Copernicus, as was Hayek, as was Jefferson.

Neither normalcy nor lunacy are permanent states of mind.

If you went to public school, you may wish to check your parameters.

[Polybius]

This is weird. I thought Ron was more of a "seal ourselves off from the world" kind of guy. Why wouldn't he want a fence to keep out illegals?

Because it doesn't keep them out.

Maybe, as a fiscal conservative, he thinks that it is irresponsible to spend $3 Billion in borrowed money to buil a Fence that illegal aliens can easily climb over, cut through or dig under.

Watch how fast illegals can climb over and cut through a $3 Billion Fence

A combination of "boots on the ground" and "removing the magnet" are required to decrease the number of illegals coming in. Tough laws, like that recently passed in Georgia, make it very risky for employers to hire illegals. As a result, illegals deport themselves.

Illegal aliens are self-deporting from Georgia

In the news report on the video, notice that the illegals are self deporting out of Georgia INTO states that have not "removed the magnet".

[Roninf5-1]

I’d like to see which military unit will be willing to implement what Ron Paul fears in these United States.

Probably these guys.

People that think, "It will never happen here," guarantee that will happen here.

[HiJinx]

Ping!

[Eva]

I would hardly put Ron Paul in the same category with Jefferson and Copernicus.

[rmlew]

I used to be for the border fence, too -- until someone brought up, "What if it was used to keep you in?" It made me stop and think. I've changed my mind. There are much better ways to deal with border.

Your position is illogical. The Canadian border is open and we have larg coastlines. Mexico is in a virtual civil war. And the stream of invaders is one of the major reasons for our instability.

[rmlew]

Maybe you should look at the success Israel has had with its wall. A single chain fence is a farce and everyone knows it. It is a pathetic straw man argument.

[DejaJude]

Because it doesn't keep them out.

Maybe, as a fiscal conservative, he thinks that it is irresponsible to spend $3 Billion in borrowed money to buil a Fence that illegal aliens can easily climb over, cut through or dig under.

But that's not the point he made. His point was, "what if it were to keep us in". And if it wouldn't keep them out, why would he be so paranoid to think that Americans couldn't just as easily get out?

[A. Patriot]

Mexico doesn't tolerate illegal immigration. Here are some points from a column by Michelle Malkin: (I added the underline and bold print)

– The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset “the equilibrium of the national demographics.” How’s that for racial and ethnic profiling?

– If outsiders do not enhance the country’s “economic or national interests” or are “not found to be physically or mentally healthy,” they are not welcome. Neither are those who show “contempt against national sovereignty or security.” They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own health care.

– Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country (see, for example, President Obama’s illegal alien aunt — a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim).

– Law enforcement officials at all levels — by national mandate — must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

– Ready to show your papers? Mexico’s National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico’s Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population) and were spotlighted in a 2006 research paper published by the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Security Policy. There’s been no public clamor for “comprehensive immigration reform” in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited.

Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing GOP Gov. Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators “Smash the State,” and holding signs that proclaimed “No human is illegal” and “We have rights.”

But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned. Noncitizens cannot “in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.” In fact, a plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any).

As for abuse, the Mexican government is notorious for its abuse of Central American illegal aliens who attempt to violate Mexico’s southern border. The Red Cross has protested rampant Mexican police corruption, intimidation and bribery schemes targeting illegal aliens there for years. Mexico didn’t respond by granting mass amnesty to illegal aliens, as it is demanding that we do. It clamped down on its borders even further. In late 2008, the Mexican government launched an aggressive deportation plan to curtain illegal Cuban immigration and human trafficking through Cancun.