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Graphite + water = the future of energy storage
www.physorg.com ^ | 15 July 2011 | Staff + Provided by Monash University

Posted on 07/15/2011 10:34:12 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: BipolarBob

In a capacitor, you have two conductive plates separated by a dielectric layer to store an electric field. Graphene makes a plate that has a large surface area in a very thin form factor. You can make a very substantial capacitor that way. Super capacitors are already in use to backup CMOS RAM to save configuration info on modern computer devices.


21 posted on 07/15/2011 11:25:14 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: BipolarBob

Probably that it’s ALL surface. Every atom is at the surface. There is practically no thickness, no volume to speak of.

Unlike most structures, where there is a thickness which is a practical waste of space when it’s the surface that matters.

Say the structure shown in #5 above was instead, oh, 3 atoms thick (that’s pretty darned thin) - that would have 1/3rd the surface per volume as this stuff does.

Sorta like the difference between, say, writing a book on paper vs stone tablets: if it’s a 100 page book, the paper version is compact while the stone tablet version is utterly useless.


22 posted on 07/15/2011 11:25:33 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: BipolarBob
An extremely high surface area. WTH does that mean?

Something that is effectively a two-dimensional plane has a very high surface-to-volume ratio.

23 posted on 07/15/2011 11:28:12 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When youÂ’ve only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Red Badger

Can you imagine the inrush current on a cap that big.


24 posted on 07/15/2011 11:28:59 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Pete-R-Bilt

Here, they are working towards drawing electrical energy from static electricity. A few more years and the power grid will be a history.


25 posted on 07/15/2011 11:33:35 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: Myrddin

It could be ameliorated by pulsing the initial charge with low duty cycle pulses then gradually widen the duty cycle as the charge is completed............


26 posted on 07/15/2011 11:33:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Red Badger
All forms of carbon are special.

27 posted on 07/15/2011 11:34:10 AM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: I see my hands

Especially diamonds.........just ask your wife!..................


28 posted on 07/15/2011 11:35:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: BipolarBob
An extremely high surface area. WTH does that mean?

You'll need a ladder to charge it.

29 posted on 07/15/2011 11:36:01 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Grut

>>We, especially Americans, are so good at finding solutions for problems.

Dr Dan Li
Qualifications:
BSc, MS - Nanjing University of Science and Technology, China
Ph. D - University of Electronic Science and Technology of China

Right. <<

This was forecast twenty years ago when our educational centers cut back on stressing the importance of mathematics.


30 posted on 07/15/2011 11:36:45 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: ctdonath2

Sorta like the difference between, say, writing a book on paper vs stone tablets: if it’s a 100 page book, the paper version is compact while the stone tablet version is utterly useless.

Well, not utterly useless.................

31 posted on 07/15/2011 11:39:02 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Red Badger

Lithium = expensive/rare...
Graphite = cheap/plentiful...


32 posted on 07/15/2011 11:39:10 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Red Badger

That’s great!

We won’t need coal plants or power plants or nuclear plants since all we will have to do is charge these ....oh.


33 posted on 07/15/2011 11:42:39 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: PapaBear3625
Something that is effectively a two-dimensional plane has a very high surface-to-volume ratio.

yeah, but they didn't say a high surface to volume ratio. They didn't say a high capacitance surface. Or a high conductive area. There's lots of things they didn't say but the one thing they did say doesn't make sense.

34 posted on 07/15/2011 11:43:44 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Beer? That's the reason I get up in the afternoon.)
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To: hosepipe

Supply / demand = determines price................


35 posted on 07/15/2011 11:47:46 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: B4Ranch
Here, they are working towards drawing electrical energy from static electricity. A few more years and the power grid will be a history.

Tesla's dream, which he dreamt up a hundred years ago. And the U.S. Government seized all his technical papers. I don't know if our Arab overlords will allow this work to continue.

36 posted on 07/15/2011 11:57:56 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: isthisnickcool

“Reminds me of buckyballs”

We always called this hexamethy-chickenwire.


37 posted on 07/15/2011 12:05:36 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...My theory is, college student body presidents become DEMS or RINO's.)
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To: Myrddin; All
In a capacitor, you have two conductive plates separated by a dielectric layer to store an electric field. Graphene makes a plate that has a large surface area in a very thin form factor. You can make a very substantial capacitor that way. Super capacitors are already in use to backup CMOS RAM to save configuration info on modern computer devices.

Wonderful stuff, if it works. I will be impressed when they market a super capacitor with the energy density of Lithium Ion at the same cost.

That will be a significant improvement.

38 posted on 07/15/2011 12:22:32 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: roadcat

With the advent of the Internet it doesn’t matter if what they want. Free Energy will be a fact of our life and it is being refined more and more everyday. Oil, gas, coal and the current nuclear power plants will be idle within twenty - thirty five years. The electrical power grid will slowly subside from existence as stable alternate energy units are developed and placed.

The mainstream physics community has done more to slow the development of cold fusion than anyone else. They can’t accept that cold fusion doesn’t follow the rulebook they wrote for hot fusion.

I believe that the Never A Straight Answer agency needed to be closed to give the scientific community a chance to reshuffle just who is going to invest technology in outer space. If there is anything out there that’s worth going after believe me independent business men will determine the most cost effective way to retrieve it. It will piss off the current Washington controllers that they aren’t the ones making all the decisions but that’s life.


39 posted on 07/15/2011 1:19:17 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: isthisnickcool

“We, especially Americans, are so good at finding solutions for problems.”
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Cept’ this one was done by a Chinese guy at an Australian University...


40 posted on 07/15/2011 1:46:07 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Proud to be a (small) monthly donor.)
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