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Emily Good to sue Rochester Police Department (videotape at traffic stop)
WHEC.com ^ | 6/28/11 | Ray Levato

Posted on 06/28/2011 1:39:35 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

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To: SoldierDad
Curiously, I don't gamble either. However, this wasn't a gamble to me, this was simply taking money out of your wallet.

I guess I don't blame you for running away.

41 posted on 06/28/2011 2:19:25 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Until Obama, has there ever been, in history, a Traitorous Ruler?)
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To: CA Conservative

Apparently we are hitting upon a brick wall with these people here. They have decided (Judge, jury, and executioner) that the office committed an egregious crime against a law abiding citizen, period, end of story. The evidence of the woman’s own video means nothing to them.


42 posted on 06/28/2011 2:20:11 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: Lazamataz

Oh, I’m not running. I’ll be here when you lose. Enjoy the crow.


43 posted on 06/28/2011 2:21:24 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad

Too bad you won’t put your money where your mouth is. I’d like this loss to hurt ya, meaningfully.


44 posted on 06/28/2011 2:22:15 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Until Obama, has there ever been, in history, a Traitorous Ruler?)
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To: CA Conservative

If he was “polite and asked her numerous times just to” take her clothes off,

would that be OK?


45 posted on 06/28/2011 2:22:54 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: CA Conservative

She was on her own property, videotaping, saying nothing, and not interfering in any way.

Their were other people on the lawn. The cops ignored them.

The guy said “I feel unsafe” or whatever. Really? The other cops didn’t. One kept his back turned.

This was a case of Contempt of Cop. No WAY was this little wisp of a woman gonna disobey “MY ORDERS” in front of his buddies and the bystanders, without somebody paying. No matter if the order was unreasonable.

It’s important to note that the DA dropped the charges against the woman, and said there was NO EVIDENCE the woman deserved arrest.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/27/new.york.police.video/


46 posted on 06/28/2011 2:24:35 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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To: Lazamataz
If I did take your bet, you'd be the one hurting for the loss of the money. This is a no-brainer. I'm not sure why you and others have such a high disrespect for LE who have not overstepped their authority.
47 posted on 06/28/2011 2:26:59 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad

I think it is apparent that this woman was seeking exactly what she got - an incident that would make the cops look bad and would give her a big payday. Did you hear her at the end of the video? Crying about how she was sorry, and she didn’t know why she was being arrested...

If you watch the video, the cops were handling the original suspect properly - no abusive language or rough treatment - nothing to indicate racism or abuse of power.

I’d love to know what this woman said to the cops before she turned the camera on - that would be a big factor in whether the cop was justified in feeling unsafe having her too close behind him.


48 posted on 06/28/2011 2:27:09 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: Lazamataz; SoldierDad
On this thread you can read where SoldierDad unequivocally called the DA a coward and a liar for dropping the case.

So that's the mentality you're dealing with.

49 posted on 06/28/2011 2:27:40 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Liberals are my enemy and the enemy of my country. I don’t give a $hit about the “rights” of my enemy.

Liberals, by themselves, don't worry me much. They are really only dangerous when they have the authority of government behind them.

Government thugs, however, worry me A LOT! Every law, or in this case "order", is enforced at the point of a government gun. Since there was no "law" against what the woman was doing, the government thug got to just make one up.

That any of us "own" or have a right to our property anymore is pure fallacy. Too bad the taxpayers will be on the hook for this. I'd rather see her take everything the cop has, so he and his family ends up living out of a shopping cart.

50 posted on 06/28/2011 2:29:03 PM PDT by PalmettoMason (Blacks are not inferior, but it is racist to hold them to the same standards as everyone else.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears; Lazamataz
DNMFOHE, that was precisely my observation as well.
What was the point of sending her into her house to feel safer, anyway?
She could have been indoors with a rifle and scope for all he might know.
He felt he was getting "sassed" by a barefoot woman wearing pajamas and he was certainly going to make her pay...


51 posted on 06/28/2011 2:31:24 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Scotsman will be Free; SoldierDad
If the cops felt comfortable with the righteousness of the arrest, they certainly would not have bothered harassing the citizens. That the woman bothered to get out of bed, or wherever she was at the time of the stop, come out and film the police activity at her street curb suggests that the citizens of that community may not be comfortable with their local police.

Most likely it's a bad community relations situation, bigger than just this one event.

Let's consider Sir Robert Peel's Nine Principles
(Via http://www.newwestpolice.org/peel.html)

  1. The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.

  2. The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police actions.

  3. Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observance of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.

  4. The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.

  5. Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.

  6. Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient.

  7. Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.

  8. Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.

  9. The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.
By my count this department has problems with 6 of the 9 principles. I'd bet they have a lot more problems than just this case.
52 posted on 06/28/2011 2:31:34 PM PDT by bvw
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To: SoldierDad
Did you happen to pay attention to this woman’s proximity to the traffic stop in making your determination? Are you of the opinion that the officer could not have possibly felt unsafe with the person there because she’s a WOMAN? I have a challenge. Next time you see a traffic stop, or any police action for that matter, try walking up within a few feet of the officers and see what happens.

There were other individuals on the lawn, behind the cops. Why were they not intimidated and or arrested?

53 posted on 06/28/2011 2:32:07 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MrB
If he was “polite and asked her numerous times just to” take her clothes off, would that be OK?

That's an asinine comparison, and if you don't know that, you are beyond help. In any situation where safety is an issue, the police have a right to take reasonable steps to secure the scene. It doesn't matter that she was on her property - she was close enough to the cops to make her a potential threat. If the cops come into your home to ask you some questions, they may ask you to not go into another room without an officer present - to prevent you from coming back with a gun. That is not unreasonable.

She was asked to move back or go inside to ameliorate that perceived threat. She refused. Should she have been arrested? Probably not, but she probably should have been taken aside by one of the officers and her movements restricted to insure the safety of the officers until they were done with their arrest of the suspect.

54 posted on 06/28/2011 2:34:42 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: SoldierDad
I find it infathomable how anyone would support this cretin.

This "cretin" thing you describe seems to somewhat of an epedemic.

The American Police State is the 'New Normal'

Jared Spurbeck Jared Spurbeck – Sat Jun 25, 5:24 pm ET

$nip>

Tasering nonviolent people to death

A 72-year-old woman named Kathryn Winkfein got tasered not too long ago after she lost her temper at the cop who pulled her over. Her offense? Shouting at him.

Luckily, she "learned her lesson" about talking back to America's authority figures. She was also awarded $40,000 in damages, which her County Constable, Richard McCain, complained was a reward for "bad behavior." Apparently putting 50,000 volts through the heart of someone's great-grandma is not bad behavior, as long as you wear a police uniform.

Winkfein was lucky. In what Digby calls the "Taser Atrocity Of The Day," a man who took groceries without having paid for them was tasered continuously for 37 seconds, after he became "aggressive and was communicating loudly." He died in the hospital.

The police officer who killed him was suspended for five days.

Stealing your cellphone (and its data)

Recordings of government workers performing their duty are, by law, in the public domain. So if you think a police officer is going to do something untoward, try filming him so you have evidence. Right?

Not so fast. Prepare to have your cellphone taken from you and stomped on. The Miami Beach, Fla., police in particular have a history of doing this, and they aren't alone. But the people who have their phones stolen and vandalized by the police are lucky; a man named Michael Allison faces up to 75 years in prison for trying to record a judge, and was arrested without any warning.

Meanwhile, the Michigan State Police is taking people's cellphones when they pull them over for traffic violations, and using "extraction" devices on the phones. The ACLU is trying to find out why they're doing that, but the police department placed a price tag of over $500,000 on their Freedom of Information request. How much justice can you afford?

Arresting nonviolent activists

Want to feed homeless people free meals in the park? Prepare to be arrested. Or how about dancing in front of the Jefferson Memorial? Prepare to get tied up and beat up.

$nip>

55 posted on 06/28/2011 2:36:14 PM PDT by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Fight Club Lawyer", Bailout)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
The jury will come back with a nice award for the gal or the city will settle. What the gal does with the award is yet to be seen, but she will have to pay the lawyer.

Nothing much is liable to happen to the cop, they'll keep him around to provide publicity to empower leftist politicians, it's good to have a sore spot bothering the citizens.

Unless, of course, the cop pulls a similar boneheaded stunt with someone connected to the Mayor, then his job and pension will be gone faster than the Mayor can say "It's him or you, Chief".

56 posted on 06/28/2011 2:37:50 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: SoldierDad; Scotsman will be Free; Lazamataz
Did you happen to pay attention to this woman’s proximity to the traffic stop in making your determination? Are you of the opinion that the officer could not have possibly felt unsafe with the person there because she’s a WOMAN? I have a challenge. Next time you see a traffic stop, or any police action for that matter, try walking up within a few feet of the officers and see what happens.

There were other individuals on the lawn, behind the cops. Why were they not intimidated and or arrested?

In addition, did ya happen to notice another person standing on the lawn, behind the cops, took the camera as the homeowner was taken into custody and continued video taping the incident?

They clearly did not move into the house and were standing right next to the woman taken to jail. Why were they not arrested?

57 posted on 06/28/2011 2:39:23 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: DC Ripper

Things are quite different in Soldier Dad’s world than they are in the real one.

In his world, front yards are sidewalks, iPods are weapons of mass destruction, a woman videotaping with an iPod, in the her pajamms, in her own front yard, is a lethtal threat to 3 armed police officers, and the U.S. Constitution does not exist.

I hope I never visit that world.


58 posted on 06/28/2011 2:41:13 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: CA Conservative

“she was close enough to the cops to make her a potential threat.”

Then why didn’t the cop say this in the first place? “I’m gonna need everyone to step back, please.”

But no, his first words were “You guys (note: plural) need something?”

She said she was recording, and it was her right (which it is).

“Not from the sidewalk it isn’t,” She steps back. “This is my yard.”

The cop has nothing to say, and walks away. Then after giving it some thought, he decides he “feels threatened.” But the other cops don’t and one keeps his back to him.

It’s bogus. Are you not even allowing for the POSSIBILITY that this cop was being Billy Badass, and wanted to save face in front of his cop buddies?


59 posted on 06/28/2011 2:41:53 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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To: SoldierDad

Look at the freeper Ron Paul continent. Our anarchist contingent sticking up for this money grubbing commie pest named Emily Good. And howling for this cop, who just might have a family to support, to be fired


60 posted on 06/28/2011 2:46:08 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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