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To: jamese777

Also from my booklet, which might be good for you to just read altogether. It’s at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/why-lb-654-is-needed-revised1.pdf :

(Argument:) Unavailability of long-form birth certificates. Some say there are states which don’t disclose long-form birth certificates.

First off, this bill provides alternative forms of documentation for that situation, if it arises.

Secondly, the claims that no long-forms are available are largely hype. For instance, in October of 2008 the Hawaii DOH claimed that they no longer disclose long-form birth certificates but there is video (17) of a woman at the HDOH office in the summer of 2010 ordering a certified copy of a long-form BC and being told that she would receive it in 2 weeks. All the HDOH claims amount to is the fact that unless you request a long-form the default is to get a COLB. Common knowledge to everybody in Hawaii, but
nobody in the media bothered to report it; it only surfaced because of diligent BLOGGERS, who are steadfastly ridiculed by the so-called “credible” media.

Thirdly, even in electronic form, the data is stored and can be put to paper. The CDC has a model birth certificate (18) which contains all the items from the old long-form birth certificates and more, and the states all have that model form or something basically equivalent, so they can report that information to the CDC. They collect and store that information. Whether the information is stored on paper or electronically, that information can be disclosed on paper and certified by Vital Records Office staff. At the federal level, FOIA and The Privacy Act allow individuals to get copies of their own records, and most states have similar provisions, so even if the records are not routinely issued, they can be accessed through FOIA/Privacy Act requests .


31 posted on 03/11/2011 9:08:05 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Also from my booklet, which might be good for you to just read altogether. It’s at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/why-lb-654-is-needed-revised1.pdf :

(Argument:) Unavailability of long-form birth certificates. Some say there are states which don’t disclose long-form birth certificates.

First off, this bill provides alternative forms of documentation for that situation, if it arises.

Secondly, the claims that no long-forms are available are largely hype. For instance, in October of 2008 the Hawaii DOH claimed that they no longer disclose long-form birth certificates but there is video (17) of a woman at the HDOH office in the summer of 2010 ordering a certified copy of a long-form BC and being told that she would receive it in 2 weeks. All the HDOH claims amount to is the fact that unless you request a long-form the default is to get a COLB. Common knowledge to everybody in Hawaii, but
nobody in the media bothered to report it; it only surfaced because of diligent BLOGGERS, who are steadfastly ridiculed by the so-called “credible” media.

Thirdly, even in electronic form, the data is stored and can be put to paper. The CDC has a model birth certificate (18) which contains all the items from the old long-form birth certificates and more, and the states all have that model form or something basically equivalent, so they can report that information to the CDC. They collect and store that information. Whether the information is stored on paper or electronically, that information can be disclosed on paper and certified by Vital Records Office staff. At the federal level, FOIA and The Privacy Act allow individuals to get copies of their own records, and most states have similar provisions, so even if the records are not routinely issued, they can be accessed through FOIA/Privacy Act requests .


We’ll all have to wait and see if any state law passes and how any candidate responds to any law and with what documentation.


38 posted on 03/11/2011 9:40:50 PM PST by jamese777
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