Study: Vikings May Have Taken a Native American to Iceland

Yahoo News/Time ^ | Fri Nov 26, 4:25 am ET | LISA ABEND

[onedoug]

Cannibalism was very widely practiced among native peoples across what later became southern South America all the way to the far north and points in-between. Even ¨sophisticates" like the vaunted Iroquois were cannibals for whatever reason that only God knows how could be excused by modern sociologists.

So called ¨Indian¨ dominance throughout the New World needed to be ended for that reason alone

[BenKenobi]

Erm, astronomical discoveries? No. Sorry.

[Hot Tabasco]

Perhaps the article you read had a different title?

Probably not, he's known for makin' stuff up.........LOL!

[Eternal_Bear]

They are Japanese citizens and inhabit Japan. So what nationality do they have?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

The name of the Viking was BOLTAR. He served under Prince Valiant who make a trip to the New World and fought an Indian chief on a rock above what we now call Niagra Falls.

The Indian woman became the wife of Boltar. So said Hal Foster’s 1970s comic strip.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***yes, well heck there’s that wall in Rockwall Texas that nobody is sure where it came from, maybe Portuguese who were also great sailors.****

It was them Vikings from the Heavner area of Oklahoma. Google Heavner runestone.

[Gene Eric]

Viking ping.

[Juan Medén]

Lol! Now that’s punny!

[Cronos]

well, of course, they could have been REAL Indians, you know, from India. And no, people from India (except north-east India) do NOT look like Native Americans

[La Lydia]

Erm, ignorance. You obviously have never heard of the Dresden Codex, nor the scholarship of the late Linda Schele. Nor the astronomical findings of pre-hispanic indigenous cultures in South America, particularly in the Andes.

Nor, I take it, have you visited the observatory at Chichen Itza.

Please see ARCHAEOASTRONOMY: The Journal of Astronomy in Culture, a scholarly journal.
http://www.utexas.edu/utpress/journals/jarch.html

Also

Archaeoastronomy & Ethnoastronomy News and the Center for the Study of Archaeoastronomy

http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~tlaloc/archastro/index.html

This should get you started. The Mayan calendar was more accurate than that in use at the same time in Europe. And I am sure you are aware of the interconnection between astronomy and time. Here is an introduction:

http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/maya.html

[Cronos]

it’s not so laughable if you remember that most sailors preferred to sail within sight of land. Even the Norse hopped from island to island.

[texmexis best]

That used to be the conventional wisdom. The vikings certainly did not mind going out of site of land.

Apparently a lot of others did so too.

[BenKenobi]

Yep, heard of both.

“As a calendar for keeping track of the seasons, the Haab’ was a bit inaccurate, since it treated the year as having exactly 365 days.”

The Julian calendar was 365.25 days which was reformed by the Gregorian calendar to account for the extra 11 minutes which had accumulated since the Julian calendar.

So no, it was an innovation in North America, but not elsewhere. If it were Chinese Astronomy, sure. Babylonian, sure. Most of the system that we know of today was developed by either the Chinese or the Babylonians long before there was even a Europe to speak of.

It wasn’t until the Greeks came along that Europeans made any contributions to Astronomy.

[TheThinker]

Because of the age, the scientists know that the man died before the first Indians came, on the natural bridge, from Asia. This proved that Whites were on North America before Indians, but I didn’t hear much about this news.

Perhaps Scandinavian as well?

[TheThinker]

And if what you say turns out to be true, where did all those whites go? Did they die out on their own, which, after surviving the trip, I find doubtful or were they wiped out by the arriving Asians/Indians?

[PhilCollins]

Yes, perhaps the first Whites, in North America, were Scandinavian. I don’t know what happened to them. They might have gone to Europe or to South America.

[La Lydia]

Can't think why anyone would want to disparage their accomplishments. Seems to me that it is neither here, nor there, except for an assumption of prejudice. The Mayans, for reasons related to their religion, were particularly good at tracking Venus. The Mayan calendars predate the Gregorian calendar by nearly 1,000 years.

And I assume you are aware that there were two Mayan calendars. Please refer to the links I provided earlier. Unless you just have a problem with pre-colombian people and their civilizations, which is actually a quite common attitude.

[BenKenobi]

You’re right I have a problem with ‘pre-columbian’ historians that lie to further their own agenda.

I’ve dealt with that crap all through my degree.

Is it the equivalent of the Gregorian calendar? No, but that’s a good lie. White man bad, brown man good. Yeah, the Mayan calendars predate the Gregorian, but they are the equivalent of the Julian calendars developed about 300 years later.

There are three independently derived systems of astronomy. Chinese, Babylonian and Mayan. That, in and of itself is a significant statement.

“Please refer to the links I provided earlier”

I did. Your links do not provide the following information.

1. Length of the mayan tropical year.
2. Invention of the mayan calendar system.

So I had to find those out for myself. As usual the hyperbole doesn’t match up to the truth.

The mayans were exceptional astronomers in their time and in any time. Their accomplishments don’t need lies in order to be well understood. Again, they are one of only three systems that developed independently of ony another, which is something that the Greeks cannot claim, as they adopted the Babylonian system.

So why not leave it at that?

[La Lydia]

I do not know who installed the chip on your shoulder. I certainly never said “white man bad, brown man good.” Do you really think I would be on this forum if that is what I believe? Please see my original post.

[TheThinker]

I was just thinking that Scandanavians could have crossed the landbridge since they were the closest Europeans.